Why is no one talking numbers?

[Leec6.5]

Price doesn't come in to it if they need culling.

A bounty should be paid for each animal culled.

But its all pie in the sky as nothing will change .

We need a big processing plant up North.

I’ll believe t when it happens

 

[Nickb]

I’ll believe t when it happens

It wont , nothing will change.

 

[Leec6.5]

It wont , nothing will change.

Unfortunately, you are correct or as I would normally say when health freezes over I’ll believe it

 

[Ratel]

Unfortunately, you are correct or as I would normally say when health freezes over I’ll believe it

Hope your elf dont freeze over.

 

[Dan Newcombe]

seems to be a lot of people here gunning for socialism in the deer shooing world

 

[Dave_45]

It’s a politically driven attack, as is evidenced by the lack of plan for economic land use alternatives - they simply wish to see ‘the toffs’ and the estates staff off, but have nothing of value to the rural communities to replace the income and sustainable management.

There’s no great demand for sika stalking in spruce woodlands, and ‘out of sight, out of mind’ is their preferrred response to this non-politically motivated issue.

They came for the grouse , now they are coming for the deer.

Non viable sporting estates next , absorbed into SNH country park portfolio

 

[jimmer.13]

seems to be a lot of people here gunning for socialism in the deer shooing world

Cant decide who is worse... Dogs in mangers......... or Sour grapes....

 

[waggy 1]

What the land owners do and don’t do, or who they allow or don’t allow to shoot their land is their business.

And there’s nothing you or anyone can do about it.

Completely Agree, but like I said one person can only be in one place at a one time!
More people managing smaller areas means more rifles targeting the issue

 

[bottletopbill]

Most recreational stalkers want to feel there freezer or give to mates and family.
Thus keeping up the game dealers prices at same rate.

 

[Mickeydredd]

I think they tried that in Stirling to Bearsden and only 10 rec deer managers took up the challenge. the spare money was used to give half price fridges to any body who would say it makes them shoot more deer.

I'm certainly shooting more deer in Stirlingshire since getting a 50% grant towards a decent chiller (not the above scheme), if I can access more land in the area then I'll shoot even more.

 

[Leec6.5]

Most recreational stalkers want to feel there freezer or give to mates and family.
Thus keeping up the game dealers prices at same rate.

You have absolutely no idea!

Meat market go on supply and demand, flood the market with more carcasses price will drop reduce the amount of carcasses price will stabilise everybody now has thermal and digital more deer will get shot in the last few minutes of light, more animals will be wounded and lost because people don’t know what they’re doing.

And the price will drop

 

[bottletopbill]

You have absolutely no idea!

Meat market go on supply and demand, flood the market with more carcasses price will drop reduce the amount of carcasses price will stabilise everybody now has thermal and digital more deer will get shot in the last few minutes of light, more animals will be wounded and lost because people don’t know what they’re doing.

And the price will drop

Perhaps I don't have any idea.

But i was thinking of all stalker's ,
As for your remarks more animals would be wounded is this for all stalker's or just recreational guy's

 

[Leec6.5]

Perhaps I don't have any idea.

But i was thinking of all stalker's ,

All stalkers care about is meat price pounds shillings and pence nothing more nothing less that is the curse of the modern Day stalker

Proper deer management went out of the window years ago, now it’s all death and destruction nothing more nothing less, I am one of a few now who can remember what it was like years ago

 

[bottletopbill]

All stalkers care about is meat price pounds shillings and pence nothing more nothing less that is the curse of the modern Day stalker

Proper deer management went out of the window years ago, now it’s all death and destruction nothing more nothing less, I am one of a few now who can remember what it was like years ago

Sorry I took you last comments the wrong way

 

[Apthorpe]

We live in possibly the most heavily regulated place on earth. It is absolutely astonishing to me that anyone who shoots thinks that yet more regulation/liability/compulsion is a good way to deal with possibly having too many deer.

 

[Leec6.5]

I simply don’t care anymore, I do my own thing. I don’t give a monkeys about Numbers.

I just please myself and I don’t really care what anyone thinks or of anybody’s opinion when you’ve been doing it as long as I have and I can remember the good days when the price was good the stalking was good now it’s just mass murder death and destruction deer stalking is not in a good place

 

[crimson]

People need to accept a shoot on sight principle for all deer and stop the misguided “I’ll leave that for next year” approach much favoured by those who take out clients.
We can return to those times when the numbers are better controlled.
Game dealer rates also have an impact for the larger species. Hauling a red out of a wet field for £1.40/kg is not an incentive

The current low prices paid by Game Dealers will only fall further as more deer are culled (flooding the market) to meet the demands to control over population.

 

[Leec6.5]

The current low prices paid by Game Dealers will only fall further as more deer are culled (flooding the market) to meet the demands to control over population.

At last, somebody who sees it for actually what it is, best post on this thread yet

 

[RCS Deer Management]

Why on earth would anybody young want to set up a business for shooting deer, or start being a contractor?

There’s no money in it, by the time you’ve bought the kit got it all paying for it all or paid for it all you’ll be in the hole for nearly £60,000 – £70,000 a lot of debt just to shoot deer!

And to be brutally honest, that’s just to get the basic equipment you need to do an efficient job why anybody would even bother is beyond me

Because it’s an amazing way of life if you enjoy working outdoors and there is definitely money in it. Just because you don’t want to do it or can’t manage to make it pay doesn’t mean it’s impossible. It is a very exciting time for the younger of us who are willing to work hard doing something we love.

 

[big ears]

The current low prices paid by Game Dealers will only fall further as more deer are culled (flooding the market) to meet the demands to control over population.

Agree. So it’s not an incentive. The reason I mentioned it is there NEEDS to be an incentive so maybe NE should subsidise?