placing touring caravan on farm problems?

[Greenmist]

In 1987 I applied to local planning to build a small office outside but close to a workshop we’d just bought.
Council refused permission.
Local business man advised building it anyway then if the come a knocking apply for retro. permission. I discounted that option but fabricated a rectangular (with an extra bit for a toilet) metal framework out of 100x 100 angle iron and put it on legs 200 mm long.
We then poured concrete into the angle iron framework for a base and the builder then built an office from concrete blocks on top, rendered it and put a tin roof on.
Not too long before the man from the council arrived to advise knocking it down or applying for retro. planning permission.
I explained it was a temporary building, not connected to the ground and could be lifted and moved.
He agreed and that office is still in use today.
KB.
Ps. You can just see under the toilet area the space from the ground level.

On that note, would a converted shipping container serve the same purpose, and in the op's situation, give added security

 

[Cyres]

Caravans galore stored on numerous farms around me.
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[kenbro]

Don't think chains would have helped Hogey Brother in law lost his lambing one during Arwen in the borders and was chained, chassis was still there not much else

Ratschitt straps over the roof of the next one, maybe?

 

[kenbro]

On that note, would a converted shipping container serve the same purpose, and in the op's situation, give added security

Don’t see why not. 3 containers in our yard for over 20 years without an enquiry.
Ken.

 

[Rake Aboot]

Ok Again

If it’s on private land you can leave a caravan there with permission , without any need for planning , keep it on its wheels.

The 28 day rule is if you park up on private land or public land without permission, you cannot be moved until 28 days is up ( Civil law, not criminal)

 

[Rake Aboot]

to be considered temporary, it has to be there under 28 days,

Nope. See above , the law gives you 28 days to move if your there illegally ( Travellers abuse this , if you watch , they stay on playing fields etc for 28 days )

You need planning consent I believe

If it’s a permanent fixed building.
Hence , leave the caravan wheels on

 

[Rubicon]

Ratschitt straps over the roof of the next one, maybe?

to this day we have no idea where the rear end went if you are in the cheviots and you come accross please it let me know.

 

[artschool]

The 28 day rule is if you park up on private land or public land without permission, you cannot be moved until 28 days is up ( Civil law, not criminal)

that’s not correct

 

[Anser anser]

On that note, would a converted shipping container serve the same purpose, and in the op's situation, give added security

it would me aye but i doubt the mrs would be keen to snooze in a shipping container unless it was one of those expensive converted ones.This is the one statement i see again and again regarding a caravan on land--not stored in barns but out there in the open---Im sure many are just fine for years in the right place unless a nosey joe decides to squeel to the planning department

• 28-Day Rule: You can place a touring caravan on agricultural land for up to 28 days in any calendar year without needing planning permission, provided the caravan is not used as a permanent home and the land is not significantly altered.
  
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[Greenmist]

to this day we have no idea where the rear end went if you are in the cheviots and you come accross please it let me know.

Theres certainly the odd plane engind

it would me aye but i doubt the mrs would be keen to snooze in a shipping container unless it was one of those expensive converted ones.This is the one statement i see again and again regarding a caravan on land--not stored in barns but out there in the open---Im sure many are just fine for years in the right place unless a nosey joe decides to squeel to the planning department

• 28-Day Rule: You can place a touring caravan on agricultural land for up to 28 days in any calendar year without needing planning permission, provided the caravan is not used as a permanent home and the land is not significantly altered.
  
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For that I would explore what is classed as agricultural land, which to me is land which can grow crops or be grazed by livestock, the farm yard or side of a barn isn't either imo

 

[Rake Aboot]

that’s not correct

What is then?

No good just saying I’m wrong , correct me .

 

[artschool]

What is then?

No good just saying I’m wrong , correct me .

it is a 28 day temporary use of land for planning purposes.

The Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) (England) Order 2015

This instrument consolidates with amendments, in relation to England, the Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) Order 1995 and subsequent amending instruments and revokes in relation to England the instruments listed in Schedule 4.

www.legislation.gov.uk

 

[Rake Aboot]

So what’s the rule about evicting someone from local authority land and unauthorised camp sites

The one about having to give 28 days notice before evicting them ?

ETA. Yes , the rule I’m talking about does not apply here. It’s an interpretation of the law about moving caravans on from council owned sites


Either way, you can still have a caravan on private land without any planning etc.

 

[Deerhunter22]

Is it your farm ? If not then id just dump the caravan there if you fancy it, if questions arise the farmer could just say it's there's and I also highly highly doubt anyones going to phone in a caravan in a field, just don't have a white van parked next to it you be golden ahahah

 

[artschool]

Either way, you can still have a caravan on private land without any planning etc.

it depends on the circumstances

 

[slider]

Nope. See above , the law gives you 28 days to move if your there illegally ( Travellers abuse this , if you watch , they stay on playing fields etc for 28 days )


If it’s a permanent fixed building.
Hence , leave the caravan wheel

it would me aye but i doubt the mrs would be keen to snooze in a shipping container unless it was one of those expensive converted ones.This is the one statement i see again and again regarding a caravan on land--not stored in barns but out there in the open---Im sure many are just fine for years in the right place unless a nosey joe decides to squeel to the planning department

• 28-Day Rule: You can place a touring caravan on agricultural land for up to 28 days in any calendar year without needing planning permission, provided the caravan is not used as a permanent home and the land is not significantly altered.
  
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That why the 2 main caravan clubs have "Certificated Locations" - these are small caravan sites that don't need Planning permission provided there area max of 5 caravans/motorhomes and none stay for more that 28 day at a time

 

[gelert]

Thinking about this for me and my mrs for short breaks but also for myself as a convenient base for my deer management on the farm.Anyone in Scotland done this at all? Planning laws and anal retentive regulations abound but im wondering if deer management could sway it as an agricultural worker type scenario???

It would depend if the caravan was sited within the curtilage of the farm.
It's use should be auxiliary to the dwelling,like an annexe for friends or family etc and would in most cases not need planning.

That being said,if you stick it wherever you want and do get pulled, you'll get the standard 28 days to move or aply,or an invitation to aply

You could theoretically move it somewhere else and leave it another 28 days,I have seen that done.

I'd also add that deer management doesn't come under the same umbrella as an agriculture worker type scenario.


I'd just stick it there tell no one, except the owner obviously and see what happens.

 

[Rake Aboot]

it depends on the circumstances

Is this like a whole cryptic series of replies where we work out the answers after a set time ?

 

[artschool]

Is this like a whole cryptic series of replies where we work out the answers after a set time ?

not at all! if you flick through the legislation it depends on the use class of the land, if it’s a SSSI if it’s in the curtilage of a listed building etc.

for what it’s worth i agree with the other posters in that if it has wheels you can always move it and remove the planning breach

 

[Rake Aboot]

not at all! if you flick through the legislation it depends on the use class of the land, if it’s a SSSI if it’s in the curtilage of a listed building etc.

for what it’s worth i agree with the other posters in that if it has wheels you can always move it and remove the planning breach

I was only joshing bud, no offence meant

Getting involved with planning is the ultimate nightmare, but I think in this case the OP would be fine