Price of ammo now 🫣

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Probably lucky to get £15 before tax for a roe around here. So a round of non toxic, disregarding fuel to get the GD, is more than a third of the carcass value. Take fuel into account and it’s a loss unless you live 5 mins away.

That said, larger deer will have more carcass value.

There’s a way around that if you box cleaver!

 

[HonestJohn]

Is it your job or a hobby?

Somewhere in between if that makes any sense

 

[HonestJohn]

There’s a way around that if you box cleaver!

Yes, write all stalking related costs off and submit a massive loss every year, including your stalking lease fees. Seemingly the inspectors had caught onto this, although in theory, anything that creates a taxable event for you (sale of venison), and costs incurred in creating that taxable event, can be deducted…

But a few have been nailed for it, so not going to try it

 

[shakey jake]

Somewhere in between if that makes any sense

Then charge to shoot them or acceptnuts a hobby that doesnt pay like golf or carp fishing

 

[kevtherev]

All to do with rising costs of raw materials
Copper is around £9k ton I heard other day?
Plus rising energy costs to run the factories producing it.

 

[shakey jake]

All to do with rising costs of raw materials
Copper is around £9k ton I heard other day?
Plus rising energy costs to run the factories producing it.

I doubt material cost matters in the price of a bullet, how many million bullefs from 1 tonne

 

[kevtherev]

I doubt material cost matters in the price of a bullet, how many million bullefs from 1 tonne

Oh it will as the manufacturer has to buy it in bulk to produce said bullets.

 

[bluesako]

go on dillons web site they have a free cost calculator, that tells you how much your reloads cost, you put down the price of 100 bullet primers cases powder and it tells you how much your reloaded ammo is its free bs ps dont cheat with the cost of consumables

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Yes, write all stalking related costs off and submit a massive loss every year, including your stalking lease fees. Seemingly the inspectors had caught onto this, although in theory, anything that creates a taxable event for you (sale of venison), and costs incurred in creating that taxable event, can be deducted…

But a few have been nailed for it, so not going to try it

If you’re doing that, you’re thinking too hard there’s a much easier way

 

[maximus otter]

I’ve just consulted my copy of the UK Handgunner magazine No.1 (July-August 1980)

The Southern Armoury advert on the rear cover 45 years ago quotes .308 Hirtenberg at £23 per 100. (23p per cartridge.)

My club currently sells new .308 practice ammo at £20 per box of 20. (£1 per cartridge.)

The Bank of England’s Inflation Calculator page tells me that goods costing 23p in 1980 would cost £1.01 today.

My best apples/apples case shows that ammo prices have actually dropped by 1% in the last 45 years.



maximus otter

 

[shakey jake]

I doubt material cost matters in the price of a bullet, how many million bullefs from 1 tonne

By my maths you get 102,880 this many 150gr bullets from a tonne @ £9000 a tonne
Each bullet costs about 11.4311111111p in copper, if copper doubled only add the same on again. Barnes are about £1 each

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

The big problem is and this is the cracks of the matter in 1972 when most of the members on this forum were shooting rifles bullets for pennies, now their £££ and then you get threads like this where people are moaning it is what it is you want to shoot you pay the money you can’t pay the money you don’t shoot. It really comes down to the simplicity of that fact might sound harsh, but unfortunately in the world we live in today is reality.

 

[Cottis]

I’ve just consulted my copy of the UK Handgunner magazine No.1 (July-August 1980)

The Southern Armoury advert on the rear cover 45 years ago quotes .308 Hirtenberg at £23 per 100. (23p per cartridge.)

My club currently sells new .308 practice ammo at £20 per box of 20. (£1 per cartridge.)

The Bank of England’s Inflation Calculator page tells me that goods costing 23p in 1980 would cost £1.01 today.

My best apples/apples case shows that ammo prices have actually dropped by 1% in the last 45 years.



maximus otter

The BOE couldn't organise a PU in a brewery. The problem with the management of the money supply in this country is brought in to sharp focus when you look at the various nuances involved with how different items have behaved so differently price wise over the years coupled with how much people accept obvious lies and deception.

The real issue is not the cost of cartridges (or insert any other base level product). The issue is the cost of housing. Geographical variations of course but the house (new build off plan) my mother bought in 1984 was £44k and when we sold it in 2014 after her death, it made £368k and surprised us all at how much under valuation it sold for. We actually refused an initial offer of £386k due to how much lower than the various agent's valuation were of "£450k all day" which I refused to accept and insisted it went on the market at £420k rather than £450k. £390k was probably about the right ballpark in hindsight and the actual buyer got a bargain. So over an 8x multiple based on sold price but in reality, likely higher. Those houses today are selling for just shy of £500k. Which would put your cartridges at a multiple of x11 from back in the day.

People have more issues with the burden of insane living costs relative to housing when you factor in all the interest on mortgages rather than the cost of shooting dead a deer.

My view is that the cost of an actual cartridge is inconsequential when viewed in isolation. It is more the lack of money in people's pockets due to the disproportionate price of housing and costs associated witht the upkeep. So the cartridge is not expensive per se, it just feels it due to how much folk's pockets are being drained in other areas.

The BOE have done an appalling job not just at keeping the money supply constrained and interest rates at a balanced sort of area where they currently are but also in their abject appraisal of the relative rate of inflation over the years. I am certain they sign off changes with crayons. Children would do a better job.

 

[harrygrey382]

I can still remember the day you sat around mine for a crash course in reloading, a bloody long time ago.

I can recall that day - in fact have recalled it recently, the start of a slippery slope!

 

[Tim.243]

The BOE couldn't organise a PU in a brewery. The problem with the management of the money supply in this country is brought in to sharp focus when you look at the various nuances involved with how different items have behaved so differently price wise over the years coupled with how much people accept obvious lies and deception.

The real issue is not the cost of cartridges (or insert any other base level product). The issue is the cost of housing. Geographical variations of course but the house (new build off plan) my mother bought in 1984 was £44k and when we sold it in 2014 after her death, it made £368k and surprised us all at how much under valuation it sold for. We actually refused an initial offer of £386k due to how much lower than the various agent's valuation were of "£450k all day" which I refused to accept and insisted it went on the market at £420k rather than £450k. £390k was probably about the right ballpark in hindsight and the actual buyer got a bargain. So over an 8x multiple based on sold price but in reality, likely higher. Those houses today are selling for just shy of £500k. Which would put your cartridges at a multiple of x11 from back in the day.

People have more issues with the burden of insane living costs relative to housing when you factor in all the interest on mortgages rather than the cost of shooting dead a deer.

My view is that the cost of an actual cartridge is inconsequential when viewed in isolation. It is more the lack of money in people's pockets due to the disproportionate price of housing and costs associated witht the upkeep. So the cartridge is not expensive per se, it just feels it due to how much folk's pockets are being drained in other areas.

The BOE have done an appalling job not just at keeping the money supply constrained and interest rates at a balanced sort of area where they currently are but also in their abject appraisal of the relative rate of inflation over the years. I am certain they sign off changes with crayons. Children would do a better job.

The cheapest part of shooting is the rounds/cartridges, add medal head also having it mounted the cost is off the scale,
Grouse per brace are from 180-240 +vat so it makes the cost of rounds a tiny drop in the puddle

 

[Chris Richardson]

The cheapest part of shooting is the rounds/cartridges, add medal head also having it mounted the cost is off the scale,
Grouse per brace are from 180-240 +vat so it makes the cost of rounds a tiny drop in the puddle

indeed to be honest my biggest cost is fuel

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

I can recall that day - in fact have recalled it recently, the start of a slippery slope!

Yep it certainly is, luckily for me 7x57 is a dream to load for, fill the case to the shoulder and seat to a OAL of 3” and your on the money

 

[KimE]

That’s so expensive - paid £47 for 20 Norma whitetail 243 last week. And looking around that’s not expensive. Supposedly budget friendly ammo according the spiel on the box. Reloading becoming interesting again! Better dig out the Lee loader.

Sweden 308w Norma Whitetail 180gr. 675sek ~56£. Whats the same Alaska bullet as in the 1980s. 545sek for the 308w 150gr Whitetail ~45£. Hornady sst Superformance 150gr 875sek / 73£.

 

[KimE]

I have to say I couldn't agree more, I hear the same argument trotted out over bismuth shot prices by people who can afford to shoot a £60 pheasant but not put a £1.50 shell in they're gun, don't misunderstood me, I don't agree with the lead ban at all, but really I don't think it's the vast majority of us old buggers who are really affected, my concern is the youngsters coming into the sport that may be priced out before they've even started?

Youngsters buy Blaser and Zeiss. Cant they afford ammo?

 

[KimE]

No doubt but don't overlook those who actually enjoy shooting their rifles when not deerstalking. Think practice at a paper or other target and sporting rifle competitions.

The crazy cost of CF and indeed RF ammunition will deal the final blow to private use and enjoyment of firearms in the UK at my reading.

K

In Sweden with simlar cost of ammo I cant see its the ammo price what keeps people from shooting pistol/rifle its more other hobbies and family time competing with range time. Some IPSC shooters can use 1500 .223r on a weekend.

A snowmobile for £20000 and £40 for petrol for a weekend are not cheap either.