In my experiance of stalkers offering their services in lieu of approved scheme members arriving or the police this is most certainly declined, the police are unaware of your credentials, training, authenticity and unknown risks, not taking away your ability but this is just what I have found in the past.
RTA deer : tell me I did the right thing !
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Makes me think there should be some National guidance on it, If you have had training, and have the right equipment (incl some form of insurance cover for this) with you at the time.
Norfolk Deer Search
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Never use a firearm on the side of the road without an officer present
not until the owner says you can ! In reality its best to get it done asap and its then the relation ship of the landowner or not
Is that actually a law, or just your recommendation?
Norfolk Deer Search
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Well that’s a grey area because you can’t discharge firearm on the side of the road unless you’ve got written permission to do so, therefore without a copper being there to cover your arse so speak you’re breaking the law! That’s how I see it anyway.
I would never turn up unless I knew there was going to be a police officer present because
1- they can then find the bloody thing
2- then you know where to stop and do what you have to do
I’ve driven too many bloody miles up and down the road in the early hours of the morning looking for a RTA Deer that’s crawled its way onto the other side of the hedge where you can’t dispatch it because you have no permission to do so not even animal welfare covers you for that!
I have been in a similar situation once, with several men crying about an injured roe buck. Thankfully a vet was there and walked them away whilst I shot it. I don't know what I would have done without her. She handled the whole thing really well.
I would not want to be in the same position closer to a town etc.
What really struck me is I don't think the reaction of these adult men would have been any different if it was a child.
I would not want to be in the same position closer to a town etc.
What really struck me is I don't think the reaction of these adult men would have been any different if it was a child.
nf-fuse
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Like actually crying with tears?
Yes
reiver
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Done quite a few around here I have used a knife a hammer a few times and even half a fence post . Once ran over a one that had been hit by a car that I came across and was in the road . Front week of the RR did the deed and ended the suffering
Never even given it a thought just did the right thing
Never even given it a thought just did the right thing
Norfolk Deer Search
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The training is ready available if you want to pay to do it, and you can even sign up for RTA cover if you’re in the right area, bloody lovely that way you can lose that on all the sleep don’t get paid for the fuel and do it for the lover doing it like I did for all the years I did wouldn’t certainly catch me doing it again that’s for sure, too much time wasted too much fuel wasted no recompense
HAD again!! I would love to see what the traffic stats on this site look like under the HAD heading followed closely by copper vs lead!
I think every UK member on here is aware of the Sec 6 Deer Act caveat and I guess each scenioro of a HAD is going to be different eg deserted rural unlit B road and you got your 410 in the boot yes maybe your going to be tempted but a Fallow Buck with one broken front leg meandering in and out of traffic on an A road in daylight I would like to think probably we would just call 999 and manage the traffic as best you can.
So in response to your query to the Norfolk guy, is it legal to discharge a firearm in a public place with an officer present aligning to Sec 6...hmn I'm not sure I need to answer it as there is no right or wrong (the officer presence is immaterial) , it's how much 'potential' grief you want to bestow onto yourself as opposed to simply calling it in.
For the record, no officer I have come across at a HAD scene has granted permission for a passing stalker to dispatch, the risks are unknown to them and a process is in place to deal hence why Sussex officers at least won't deviate.
The scheme we operate includes a condition on SG:FAC cert for a nominated SG/FAC to conduct HAD duties on the highway BUT only on receipt of police ref number, no officer on scene is required.
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shakey jake
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If its illegal to discharge a firearm af the side of the road with out landowners consent, how can the police give you permission?
You can legally discharge a firearm without the permission of the landowner, for example in a HD situation, if you believe that the landowner, had he been asked, would have given his consent.
Animal welfare trumps many other considerations.
I suspect this is the clause that the police rely upon.
Although attempts should first be made to ascertain who is the landowner, and ask permission, this isn't always possible.
What you cannot do without the landowner's actual consent is remove the carcass.
Basic demonstration that this country’s regulations are in a complete clusterf”~*k
and a regular constable will take a long time to turn up and they might then decide to call on a on an dedicated firearms team , it can go on for many hours before the beast is put out of its stress and pain . Consider carefully ......... !
Firefly
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Only last week I was at a DVC having dispatched a badly injured deer. I witnessed three members of the public narrowly (inches) missed by a car doing fifty miles an hour. He was oblivious to four cars with hazards and my own vehicle with strobe lights. Didn’t touch his brakes until past the hazard.
Working in or near the road without experience or training is best avoided if you can. Morally we always feel that the animal is the priority …. But the safety of ourselves and others should always come first.
The DVC pic attached wasn’t the one above but an example of what you might find on arrival !
Working in or near the road without experience or training is best avoided if you can. Morally we always feel that the animal is the priority …. But the safety of ourselves and others should always come first.
The DVC pic attached wasn’t the one above but an example of what you might find on arrival !
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in the past I have despatched wounded deer after RTC . Never have I used a firearm.
Luckily they been in rural environments where deer and deer stalking is the norm, so no issues with what has to be done.
in those instances I dragged the animal away from the public to avoid any smart phone nonsense.
It had to be done , and with a good sharp knife it was, but I would not volunteer to do it.
Luckily they been in rural environments where deer and deer stalking is the norm, so no issues with what has to be done.
in those instances I dragged the animal away from the public to avoid any smart phone nonsense.
It had to be done , and with a good sharp knife it was, but I would not volunteer to do it.
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