On average are American shooters worse shooters than British shooters?

[timbrayford]

Thank God for the C/Service....

Not really, the government deer policies scapegoat deer for environmental damage but the deer are only doing what comes naturally. The underlying issue is inept deer management leading to overgrazing, you need to look no further than the burgeoning populations of both muntjac and fallow in the Forestry England managed New Forest for an excellent example of this.

 

[Tim.243]

Not really, the government deer policies scapegoat deer for environmental damage but the deer are only doing what comes naturally. The underlying issue is inept deer management leading to overgrazing, you need to look no further than the burgeoning populations of both muntjac and fallow in the Forestry England managed New Forest for an excellent example of this.

You should get out more and make a difference into the growing numbers quoted

 

[timbrayford]

You should get out more and make a difference into the growing numbers quoted

It would be great to, but like I alluded to, the Forestry England areas of the New Forest is off limits, and in any case best left for the tourists at this time of year.

 

[Tim.243]

It would be great to, but like I alluded to, the Forestry England areas of the New Forest is off limits, and in any case best left for the tourists at this time of year.

Well all the land around it will have deer...stop typing and start shooting deer

 

[timbrayford]

Well all the land around it will have deer...stop typing and start shooting deer

That I'm afraid is the problem, I was doing some culling at longdown but the wind wasn't that favourable and a large herd of fallow escaped to the sanctuary of public land

 

[12gsnapcaps]

I watched a video recently of a well known american shooter/youtuber reviewing an EU gun. He had really bad things to say about the trigger saying it had 'loads of takeup and creep'

It was a 2 stage trigger.

He had clearly never used or understood what a 2 stage trigger was. Beyond embarrassing.

I think that, most US shooters, they don't invest the time, attention and training into shooting like we do, because they have no hurdles to get over in order to get a firearm and/or go shooting. For us, were either in it 100% or 0% due to our licencing, laws and societal circumstances

Obviously, the above is a generic blanket view for the purposes of making a comment on a forum. There are ofcourse MANY US shooters who are excellent and indeed world leading firearms experts and marksmen. But when you look at a population of nearly 400million, say 200million own a gun or some sort, then you're looking at maybe 170million who just 'happen to have a gun of some sort' rather than 'UK shooter who went through a year long vetting process and has to shoot 10 times a year to even keep their ability to own a firearm or EU shooter who has to pass a government mandated accuracy and safety test every single year to own a firearm)

 

[Tim.243]

That I'm afraid is the problem, I was doing some culling at longdown but the wind wasn't that favourable and a large herd of fallow escaped to the sanctuary of public land

You cant let 1 fail let you stop!

 

[Shootinshyster]

I think European shooters are probably better than Americans and Canadians.

I own well over one hundred rifles and I would shoot a lot better if I concentrated on one or two rifles.

European guys who only own one or two rifles are far more in tune with their guns

 

[Mungo]

A few things I’ve noticed from guiding American clients:

- they REALLY don’t like to crawl.
- they are much more selective about what they shoot, and are perfectly happy to turn down shootable beasts in the hope of finding something better, even if that runs the risk of not shooting anything.
- they frequently don’t know how to take legs off without a saw.
- they have a tendency to shoot further back than UK stalkers, but are much more patient and persistent with tracking runners (I think this is because most have some archery experience).
- they have exactly the same tendency as UK stalkers to exaggerate past experience. However, it comes across as slightly adorable because they generally shoot far fewer deer than we do, so when a US hunter doubles his lifetime kill, it goes from 10 to 20.
- their waterproofs generally suck.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Only at 100 yards...

Wiki :-
The arcminute is commonly found in the firearms industry and literature, particularly concerning the precision of rifles, though the industry refers to it as minute of angle (MOA). It is especially popular as a unit of measurement with shooters familiar with the imperial measurement system because 1 MOA subtends a circle with a diameter of 1.047 inches (which is often rounded to just 1 inch) at 100 yards (2.66 cm at 91 m or 2.908 cm at 100 m), a traditional distance on American ranges.

 

[chriswjx]

My youngest would put me in my place, army biathlon ski ing silver medallist. (Against the Olympic team)

Sadly not according to the average American commenter on a biathlon video.

Remarks tend to be consistently:

-Shoot a real calibre with actual recoil to see how you shoot.
-Shoot a real distance.
-Shoot a rifle without all the fancy bells and whistles (usually in the form of "I could do that with my pop gun).

The typical reply from Europeans (and which never get responded to) is to point out the miles of skiing before hand...

 

[25 Sharps]

In English MOA means 1” give or take a gnats cock!

1” at 100 yards, 2” at 200 and so on……

 

[25 Sharps]

I wish I had a way of just going to try this that didn't require taking a day off work, booking two weeks in advance, redoing a test made up by the NRA and doing a supervised zeroing test because I'm not using lead. Because I'd love to just go and try this quickly for fun and edification.

Why not just use lead at Bisley?

 

[25 Sharps]

No just a target I lifted of the tinternet, I’ll be buggered if I’ll pay for one!

I thought you didn’t shoot paper??

 

[timbrayford]

You cant let 1 fail let you stop!

You're rather getting away from the point of those who manage public land that collectively we all own acting like they themselves were the owners!

 

[shbangsteve]

Going by the latest Meateater video, the American girl is a great shooter,

just a terrible stalker.

Shooting a bear at 520yards is just dumb and not ethical in my humble opinion

 

[Mike1979]

6.5 Creed, Barnes TTSX 120 Grain, around 1/4 inch group. However, No wind, prone and supported so frankly this is more of a test of what the rifle will do (and this was finding a "perfect" load) rather then me. In most cases who really cares as Minute Of Deer (or Fox) is more important and in most cases we only need one shot.

I'm more then happy to attend a competition though if someone offers me £1k to come and shoot a 5 shot 1" group

 

[The Grouse]

My youngest would put me in my place, army biathlon ski ing silver medallist. (Against the Olympic team)

Many many moons ago my best mate wrote to one of the lads mags of the time saying " Send me on the toughest physical challenge you can". He was expecting to be ignored, instead they packed him off to Finland in the middle of winter with the British Army Biathlon team. Safe to say he found the whole experience extremely humbling and they published his suffering for all to see

 

[Pine Marten]

Why not just use lead at Bisley?

I don't have dedicated target rifles so when I do use lead for practice, I then need to re-zero with copper at the end.

 

[Miki]

Take ya moderators off then shoot 1moa @100
Most would fail 1moa
Just saying that’s all

PARDON...

???

In theory, most likely in practice too, although it is very small difference a moderator will improve the accuracy of the projectile as it passes through stable air immediately it leaves the barrel or, put another way, is subject to less turbulence in the critically important first few millimetres of its travel. The moderator also effects the harmonics of the barrel reducing its movement as the bullet exits so the rifle will typically exhibit a different zero (poi).

There are many other factors that effect the trajectory which are greater than this few inches of calm air.
i've never managed to see the difference (nor have I ever managed a 1MOA, 5 shot group @ 100yds), I can hit a 6" gong @ 200yds off sticks most of the time though, with or without a moderator.