stalking binoculars

Thanks for all of this. I will keep searching and comparing. Compared the conquest against the swarofski yesterday. They were both good but the swarofski was better. Whether it was £1000 better, to be honest no, but whether this difference would always be in the back of my mind or the ret of my life I dont know. Also whether this difference is practically important either is an unknown.
I am not in any rush and will keep looking.
Thanks again.
 
Your probably right on that Heym - being so light and "low price point" means scimping somewhere! maybe not much of a dilema any more..

Rgds

Rob

They are light because everyone wants light binoculars............so we have done that.

The low price point is because everyone wants quality binoculars at an affordable price......so we have done that.

There is no scrimping anywhere. We have set up a more efficient production line for the Conquest range which means that the price can be lowered. We have also moved the dioptre adjustment from the centre focus control to the eyepiece.....this means lower production costs as it avoids all the gearing necessary to combine the centre focus and dioptre all in one wheel.

To be honest the Conquest is too cheap...........but that is what consumers told us they wanted.

If we sold it for £999 people would be perfectly happy !!!!!!!!!
 
I bought a Zeiss Conquest 8x42 at the Midland last weekend.

I spent most of the day wandering between different stands and at the end of the day it was the best binocular for the money.
 
You could br right. I see lots of posts here about Swarovski service by people who have had cause to use it.

But then ..........if all these people are sending things to them to be repaired there must be lots of their products going wrong.
 
Some people say " buy once, cry once", swarovski users say " buy once, dont cry"


Ive got to agree,

I dont actually own a pair of swarovski binos YET.. however my dad has got a set of 8x56 slc which i use fairly regularly and i can honestly say i havent seen another pair that touch the sharpness and brightness of them. ive tried them against lecia, ziess and minox.
at the moment im looking at some 8.5 x 42 el, i see them as an investment
just my opinion
atb matt
 
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have a look at macleods of tain. i bought a pair of his ex demo 7 x 42 slcs last year. theyve been brilliant. got them for about £400 cheaper than guide price and you still get the swarovski warranty, cant fault that! as people have said they are an investment if you can afford them. i must of spent the same amount of money over the years on several pairs of poorer quality bino's that didnt last. buy cheap pay dear!
 
Thanks for continuing this thread. Just to let you know that I ended up buying a secondhand pair of els 8.5x42 off this site. Very happy
 
No one can disagree that Swarovski are excellent binoculars i certainly do not dispute this, however they are SO overpriced and there's almost a "Swarovski snobbery" where if you don't have them you've gone for 2nd best and eventually you'll regret it. I was looking for a "decent" set of binos for stalking and after hours (I mean hours) of research in the end it was a no brainer. I purchased a set of Zeiss Conquest 8 x 42 HD's. On paper the ELs, SLCs, Trinovids and Victorys may have some mathematical advantage but seriously is this a £1,200+ advantage??
I very much doubt in the field the money is justified in fact I go so far as to say its just cosmetic, the Zeiss conquests have a quibble free 5 year guarantee if they are damaged accidently in the first 5 years they are repaired/replaced. Following the 5 years there is a lifetime warranty.
I spoke to the salesman i bought them from before purchasing I asked him what were the pitfalls? His answer "there was only one problem with the Zeiss Conquests for him and that is they have completey killed the sales of the higher end Swarovski, Zeiss and Leica range of binoculars and shown them up to be far too expensive for what they are".

Helmet firmly on :british:
ATB
 
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Your right but the differential was secondhand els or new conquests at about the same price. I went with tried and tested because to my eyes they were slightly better, but not £1000 better.
 
Swarovski are excellent binoculars i certainly do not dispute this, however they are SO overpriced and there's almost a "Swarovski snobbery" where if you don't have them you've gone for 2nd best

I agree with this. I think Swaro make optics that are adequate for their intended purpose and their customer service seems to be second to none but I don't think they make the best glass by any means. When I see the effort they go to when it comes to marketing then I wonder how much of the purchase price of Swaros goes on glass and how much goes on marketing to tell you that you are buying the best?

On the other hand this marketing creates significant perceived value and so buying Swaros will never be a bad call, especially if you can buy second hand and let someone else take the big hit, as you will always have glass that is up to the job and you will always get most or all of your money back. There is no doubt that the full Swaro package is one of the best around.

As I've said before it would be interesting to see some scientific testing of binos and scopes to actually measure performance rather than a subjective review with, usually, a full page advert from the manufacturer on the next page. I suspect that of all the manufacturers Swaro might have the most to fear from such a test in purely optical terms though there is no question that their full package of customer care, brand image and optics must always put them among the top 5. However, maybe I'm wrong and the thing with decent scientific measurement of something is that it usually turns up a few surprises.

I'd also love to know what a given set of binoculars actually cost to manufacture in terms of component costs, for all I know some of the mid-range or even lower priced binos might actually cost more to make than some of the big names if you count just the component cost rather than the other overheads. It would be interesting to see how having this information to hand might skew people's views on the "best" binocular.

The other big question for stalkers is just how good we need the glass to be. There are always people who, quite reasonably, want "the best" of everything but I think the truth is that most stalkers can get by with something less than the best and I believe that a lot of optics, viewed both as top level and even mid-tier, are "adequate" for the purposes that we need them for. It then comes down the the company involved as to how they wish to position their "adequate" glass on the market so some will sell on lower cost while others might sell on features or customer service or perceived value and these things are often a big deciding factor for the customer.

Maybe as stalkers instead of aiming to spend the most we should be aiming to spend the least cash that will get us something adequate to do our jobs. For the recreational stalker this approach would make a lot more sense and would save us a lot of cash which we could spend on stalking, though for some people it may remove a lot of the fun and pleasure they get from having nice stuff. It would be interesting, if we were to take this approach, to see what the "standard" stalking binocular might be, and how much it might cost.
 
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