458 win mag for boar?
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Dorsettaff
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Matt
A .458 Win will be viewed as a Dangerous Game round by any FEO and highly unlikely to be authorised for use on deer or even boar in the UK for that matter!
Your best bet would be to get it added for use abroad for which you then have shown "good reason"...ie that annual boar or plains game trip that you've always promised yourself.
Once you have it you can then start the somewhat tricky negotiation for adding it for use on boar and AOLQ in the UK...but don't hold your breath....the .458 is a big old round for these shores and therefore highly unlikely to be sanction!
Good Luck with that!
A .458 Win will be viewed as a Dangerous Game round by any FEO and highly unlikely to be authorised for use on deer or even boar in the UK for that matter!
Your best bet would be to get it added for use abroad for which you then have shown "good reason"...ie that annual boar or plains game trip that you've always promised yourself.
Once you have it you can then start the somewhat tricky negotiation for adding it for use on boar and AOLQ in the UK...but don't hold your breath....the .458 is a big old round for these shores and therefore highly unlikely to be sanction!
Good Luck with that!
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Dorsettaff
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Worth a conversation as you already have "good reason" to possess but I think they might get a wee bit twitchy on boar or AOLQ with expanding ammo!
Sako3006
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If you have a read through "Home Office Guidance on Firearms Licensing Law" this is the bible which ALL FEO's and licensing departments of various county Constabularies in England Wales Scotland and I am fairly sure Northern Ireland as well.
It is an interesting read and the current edition is available on line. I had a quick read through as I am currently renewing my certificate and had this funny fealing that I was going to answer some question re land etc. Pleased to say I worried with no need to. However in the transcript I did notice the section in paragraph 13 on the calibers it talks of the .22 cf in England and Scotland but goes on to say that the more recognized calibers for deer control/stalking range between .243 and 45-70.
Have a read of this document it may be of help to you.
It is an interesting read and the current edition is available on line. I had a quick read through as I am currently renewing my certificate and had this funny fealing that I was going to answer some question re land etc. Pleased to say I worried with no need to. However in the transcript I did notice the section in paragraph 13 on the calibers it talks of the .22 cf in England and Scotland but goes on to say that the more recognized calibers for deer control/stalking range between .243 and 45-70.
Have a read of this document it may be of help to you.
you have it for an already established good reason they should condition it for Deer boar etc as per guidance you may get AOLQ as directicves are that if you have a rifle with good reason it should be conditioned for anything else you can shoot legally
page 111 HO guidance
page 111 HO guidance
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does that mean my .45-70 that is conditioned for target shooting only should be opened up, for AOLQ?
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Richard-gun
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I don't see why not. I have a Marlin 45-70 conditioned AOLQ with West Mercia. Have read about plenty of others on here who have similar....
you have a good reason to posses and if you have land with quarry then no they should stop you just need Expanding added if for Deer
As FGYT said you could fight and maybe get it for UK boar but it still won't be easy.
Hace be you thought about a 458x2" American. It's basically a 45-70 but can be loaded very hot (like the 45-70).
In an action designed for 458 win like yours and with the proper throating you can load the bullet out a fair bit and lose very little to a win mag.
As its just a rimless 45-70 and 45-70 is listed in HO Guidelines as suitable for deer and boar you can use those guidelines to get it.
Hace be you thought about a 458x2" American. It's basically a 45-70 but can be loaded very hot (like the 45-70).
In an action designed for 458 win like yours and with the proper throating you can load the bullet out a fair bit and lose very little to a win mag.
As its just a rimless 45-70 and 45-70 is listed in HO Guidelines as suitable for deer and boar you can use those guidelines to get it.
Would it be refused? Yes
Could you fight and get it approved? Also yes
Could you fight and get it approved? Also yes
bewsher500
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there are exceptions to all rules
several people I know with 338LM, 375H&H. 300RUM, 9.3x74/64 etc and similar conditioned for UK deer
see no reason why with a judicious approach to your variation why a 458 couldnt be conditioned too
its the same energy figures chucking a 300gr as a 375H&H chucking a 300gr
several people I know with 338LM, 375H&H. 300RUM, 9.3x74/64 etc and similar conditioned for UK deer
see no reason why with a judicious approach to your variation why a 458 couldnt be conditioned too
its the same energy figures chucking a 300gr as a 375H&H chucking a 300gr
enfieldspares
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I think that with Trail Boss...or even similar type powders...it would make a very useful calibre. As long as the velocity was down to about 1800fps and with a LIGHTER weight bullet of 250 grains or so.
Why would you acquire a 458 & load it down?
I've used a 458 Lott since it was a wild cat & shot one or two pigs with it, (its all good practice). I like a 400 grn soft point driven as fast as is practical for this. It can be spectacular on pigs. I've also carried it around a few hills looking for big brown deer & been happy with the end results, but its just too heavy a gun to carry around for this to be fun for me now, when a light 30 06 will do.
Down here pigs are abundant & easy to find without much exertion & a 458 usually isn't going to slow you down too much for hunting them, particularly if you're getting around mostly on a bike or ute & just doing the last wee bit on foot.
If they knock you back on a 458 then turn right around & apply for a 470 Cap, then 505 & so on & so on. Worth a try, & most folk like to find a compromise.
Sharkey
Exactly what I thought when I applied for one. However, my FEO takes Cartridges of the World as gospel so despite me sending a couple of pages of load data showing reduced loads and stating why I wanted it he said no.
He did say that I could have any of the big blackpowder cartridges, as they are of acceptably low energy, and then load them with nitro in a strong action.
Hence my 45-120.
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