6.5 creedmoor for red deer

MarinePMI · Aug 9, 2023

Another interesting point...

California banned lead in Condor areas starting in 2007, and completely (statewide) in 2013. ...And condor populations continue to decline today. Common sense would tell you, that the issue isn't/wasn't lead ammo. But common sense isn't something a lot of environmentalists use to get their agendas accomplished.

Yet another example of, when you let a law go on the books (that reduces a person's freedom to decide something for themselves), it's very hard to ever get it repealed or get your freedoms back. They did the same thing when they outlawed mountain lion hunting (used videos of horrific scenes from other states using dogs, when California has never allowed it, to play on people's emotions to vote to outlaw it). Now people are complaining, as there are more and more lethal encounters with mountain lions. More mountain lions now, with less fear of man. Go figure. Never saw that one coming <eye roll>. It's all Disney'esqe, until the Lion King cub eats your poodle, or takes your horse out from under you on a trail...idiots.

Mungo · Aug 10, 2023

MarinePMI said:
If you read most of the studies, they show an elevated level of lead, not a lethal one. It's how it's worded that reveals the fallacy.

I’m not sure it does.

Elevated lead is dangerous, and has a host of systemic effects.

I mean - how much lead are you comfortable having in your blood?

Bowland blades · Aug 10, 2023

MarinePMI said:
As an aside, and I don't want this to become a ****ing match, but there's never been a document bird of prey found dead in the US from lead poisoning. While it is possible, it's never actually been found to happen. They eat too much other stuff to die from eating a chance piece of lead in the offal.

Now, that's not to say you're wrong for wanting to be conscious of looking to leave the environment as clean as possible; quite the opposite. That's quite respectable. But just wanted to toss that out there, since it gets bandied about a lot here in the US when talking about the endangered condors. It's been studied a lot here, and it's been found to be a false narrative. Truth of the matter is, they're dying off due to nesting issues and bird strikes with airplanes, windmills and solar collectors (they even have a term for it; "streakers". No not the same meaning as the UK. LOL But rather because when they fly through the collector focal path, they ignite and streak across the sky on fire as they fall burning to the ground.)

You should see the wind farm on the local reservation here. There's always dead birds lying around the bases of the wind mills. Yea, for "clean energy". <sarcasm>

Not a fan of wind turbines ( but then i know a bit about power generation ) Total con ! However ducks where studied as regards lead poisoning here before the wildfowling ban and the findings where indisputable among dabbling ducks . Likewise very clear evidence of bird of prey in the hands of austringers and Faulkner's, inequivalently they will not take lead shot woodpigeon. Remember Ducks unlimited have done a mass of work on lead poisoning and the program of none lead has saved a lot of duck . Tiny amounts of lead in a bird crop will kill , No shooter should dispute this . All we Deerstalkers had to do was bury field grallochs from 20 years plus ago when it was suggested and remove poor beasts for proper disposal but seldom was it done ! I predict that Raven and other similar carrion eating birds will rise

MarinePMI said:
If you read most of the studies, they show an elevated level of lead, not a lethal one. It's how it's worded that reveals the fallacy. Just like mountain lion hunting, and other hot button topics, most of the studies are conducted by less than objective people, stating conjecture as fact. I'm heading out the door to work now, but I'll post few articles when I get a chance.

This reminds me of all the "Don't eat tuna, it has high levels of arsenic!" BS (remember that? You haven't heard that melodrama lately, have you?) Turns out, they do have high levels of arsenic. It also turns out that they also have high levels of selenium....which chelates arsenic. So the arsenic is harmless, unless it's farm grown tuna and doesn't have the high levels of selenium that tuna get from being in the open ocean. And the initially study, that caused the alarm? Yeah, it was paid for by the Pork Producer's Union. Go figure...

Mercury build up is the big issue in such fish

JDes · Aug 10, 2023

Lots of high end manufacturers (Q, etc) will make 6.5cm hunting guns. The bullet is fine for this purpose, hell, it's even been considered as a SSW calibre.

6.5 creedmoor for red deer

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