nf-fuse
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I thinks a system that would exist for day shooting if it hadn't been going on for a long time already.
New NE Deer Night Shooting Licence England/Wales (CL55)
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Dan Newcombe
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It’s just annoying to me that they desperately want deer numbers down - night shooting is an important tool for that but they can’t just let it happen, have to make it complex.
I totally disagree that it’s different to foxing, the premise is exactly the same
I totally disagree that it’s different to foxing, the premise is exactly the same
There seems to be an undercurrent of collaboration between NE or whoever theh asked for advice. I spoke to PDS today about the practical shooting test which for them does not exist yet. I have no problem with competency testing but can only assume that DSC 2 makes you automatically able to shoot in the dark but DSC 1 does not. If hou have a badger badge you are ok but an experienced fox shooter possibly not. If have already been night shooting deer you must be safe. I will do the course when I find one!
nf-fuse
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Of course. They'll have to be a few public sectorists employed running the notification system and HR managers etc running them etc.
Deermanagement
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And unless you have ground surrounded by land where stalking in managed, you will in many cases be wondering where that nice stag or buck has gone. Or maybe wonder why numbers dwindle and the game dealer is full or offer next to nothing
It’ll be your neighbour out after dark knobbling you resident deer. As we know, there’s a skill or sport in getting some foxes after dark but with deer, it’ll be walk up to, or drive up to and lump it in the back of a van or truck.
Some are not interested in stalking, only killing, and these guys have just been given licence to take your deer and cut your venison returns. Sorry to be the negative one, but night shooting should be a last resort where all other methods are impossible.
I’ve fortunately stalked for many decades and enjoyed the skill of the hunt, but there’ll be a new generation brought up with thermals, day night scopes etc, who’ll never experience that, as they’ll, as you put it, accept it as “the norm”
Deermanagement
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Just skipped through the first 4 pages of this thread and looks like everyone’s keen on getting out and killing deer after dark . Maybe msny have a day job and only have darkness to use a rifle?
But in general, it looks like a bleak outlook for traditional stalking. And before anyone says “but traditional stalking has not reduced deer populations enough”, I’ll reply in advance that it’s because people have hung onto land they they either could not manage, or did not have the inclination to manage.
Maybe those on the first 4 pages have access to land adjacent to a neighbours woodland, where deer reside during the day and only frequent their ground after dark?
I for one would not be interested in killing deer after dark, I prefer a little bit of a challenge, which doesn’t include humping deer in the darkness.
Maybe this forum should merge with the NV forum, maybe add some terriers and lurchers to the mix
. Maybe msny have a day job and only have darkness to use a rifle? But in general, it looks like a bleak outlook for traditional stalking. And before anyone says “but traditional stalking has not reduced deer populations enough”, I’ll reply in advance that it’s because people have hung onto land they they either could not manage, or did not have the inclination to manage.
Maybe those on the first 4 pages have access to land adjacent to a neighbours woodland, where deer reside during the day and only frequent their ground after dark?
I for one would not be interested in killing deer after dark, I prefer a little bit of a challenge, which doesn’t include humping deer in the darkness.
Maybe this forum should merge with the NV forum, maybe add some terriers and lurchers to the mix
Norfolk Deer Search
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What were all forgetting is the animal welfare situation of shooting at night, especially by those who think they know what their doing, but really have no clue.
And the cold hard truth is that is exactly what this is designed for, to get deer numbers down and prevent people from holding onto deer to suit themselves.And unless you have ground surrounded by land where stalking in managed, you will in many cases be wondering where that nice stag or buck has gone. Or maybe wonder why numbers dwindle and the game dealer is full or offer next to nothing
It’ll be your neighbour out after dark knobbling you resident deer. As we know, there’s a skill or sport in getting some foxes after dark but with deer, it’ll be walk up to, or drive up to and lump it in the back of a van or truck.
Some are not interested in stalking, only killing, and these guys have just been given licence to take your deer and cut your venison returns. Sorry to be the negative one, but night shooting should be a last resort where all other methods are impossible.
I’ve fortunately stalked for many decades and enjoyed the skill of the hunt, but there’ll be a new generation brought up with thermals, day night scopes etc, who’ll never experience that, as they’ll, as you put it, accept it as “the norm”
Norfolk Deer Search
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That’s hard fact and a said exactly as it isAnd unless you have ground surrounded by land where stalking in managed, you will in many cases be wondering where that nice stag or buck has gone. Or maybe wonder why numbers dwindle and the game dealer is full or offer next to nothing
It’ll be your neighbour out after dark knobbling you resident deer. As we know, there’s a skill or sport in getting some foxes after dark but with deer, it’ll be walk up to, or drive up to and lump it in the back of a van or truck.
Some are not interested in stalking, only killing, and these guys have just been given licence to take your deer and cut your venison returns. Sorry to be the negative one, but night shooting should be a last resort where all other methods are impossible.
I’ve fortunately stalked for many decades and enjoyed the skill of the hunt, but there’ll be a new generation brought up with thermals, day night scopes etc, who’ll never experience that, as they’ll, as you put it, accept it as “the norm”
nf-fuse
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we live in county where there isn't any training or anything required to shoot deer.
Norfolk Deer Search
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What does that tell you?
Dan Newcombe
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Think my son might be one of the ones you dislike in the next gen - we have a ‘stalking lamp’And unless you have ground surrounded by land where stalking in managed, you will in many cases be wondering where that nice stag or buck has gone. Or maybe wonder why numbers dwindle and the game dealer is full or offer next to nothing
It’ll be your neighbour out after dark knobbling you resident deer. As we know, there’s a skill or sport in getting some foxes after dark but with deer, it’ll be walk up to, or drive up to and lump it in the back of a van or truck.
Some are not interested in stalking, only killing, and these guys have just been given licence to take your deer and cut your venison returns. Sorry to be the negative one, but night shooting should be a last resort where all other methods are impossible.
I’ve fortunately stalked for many decades and enjoyed the skill of the hunt, but there’ll be a new generation brought up with thermals, day night scopes etc, who’ll never experience that, as they’ll, as you put it, accept it as “the norm”
It’s not all bad - you daytime creepers don’t seem to be holding your end up with regard to numbers and environmental damage
Norfolk Deer Search
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Maybe just don’t worry about the numbers and enjoy your stalking, there’s better things to do that drag dead deer about at night that’s for sure.
Dan Newcombe
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Is there really a welfare issue? Honestly I can’t see the difference between shooting something in the day and the night from that perspective. In fact, with the right conditions you can actually get closer with it being dark and all.
I can’t see the fuss
And it's hard work in daylight!
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