Night shooting deer under CL55 - Police Notifications

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Norfolk Deer Search said:
Because they didn’t do what I ****ing wanted them to do, did they?
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They shot the deer in traditional shooting hours? Correct?
You wanted them to leave the deer till morning?
Why can’t a night shooter that wounds a deer leave said deer till the next morning?
Also, can you please answer why you can’t track deer in the dark? I prefer working my dog on a track at night so am genuinely curious as to why you see night time deer recovery as such an issue? Is it just that you have never done it? Or are you or your dog scared of the dark?
 
Norfolk Deer Search said:
Because they didn’t do what I ****ing wanted them to do, did they?

Also I tracked with my dog as part of a service, wasn’t my ground so I didn’t know it, therefore why should I risk myself in any danger in the dark on ground that’s not mine?
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So the problem was they didn’t listen to you and ruined the trail/pushed it on. Unless there’s more to it, I’m struggling to see how an hour here or there would have changed anything.
 
We (Sweden) have had night shooting a long time now. Boar shooting means night shooting as that is when they are out. Now also deer shooting at night locally. Anyway, in general you get much closer to an aninal att night. They feel somewhat darkness is their friend. Probably more animals wounded day time as people then tend to take long shots. It actually easier to follow an animal which is wounded night time. Better scent surely in damp conditions. Most shots we take on boar and now deer is within 120 m. Most often from a high stand.

There is no regulation re nofication of local police but then again some hunters do so anyhow especially when there are anti hunting people in next village. Just an email like ' helllo, tonight we will be out night shooting there and there'

Re deer ( not boar) we have to report results within a week. Suppose this is for statistics and not for police. Where we are allowed night shooting for deer there is an over all license quota and shooting may be terminated but has not happened. Over all licence for a district runs 2 yrs.

The main problem or what is that people tend to shoot to many male deer now that it is the female stock which needs to culled. Suppose people don't like shooting females when there are fawns in the group.
We get about 4 engl pounds per kilo for a deer so night shooting may be worth while.
 
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RCS Deer Management said:
They shot the deer in traditional shooting hours? Correct?
You wanted them to leave the deer till morning?
Why can’t a night shooter that wounds a deer leave said deer till the next morning?
Also, can you please answer why you can’t track deer in the dark? I prefer working my dog on a track at night so am genuinely curious as to why you see night time deer recovery as such an issue? Is it just that you have never done it? Or are you or your dog scared of the dark?
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It’s pretty obvious why tracking in the dark for a potential wounded animal is not as good an idea as doing it in daylight 🤷‍♀️
 
Deermanagement said:
It’s pretty obvious why tracking in the dark for a potential wounded animal is not as good an idea as doing it in daylight 🤷‍♀️
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I think that it’s obvious that you are making a presumption and that you don’t work dogs tracking deer? Any real world experience? Tracking deer at night is often easier due to multiple factors
Less pressure changes
Less temperature
Often damper ground holding scent
Wounded game is often calmer in torch light where it is dazzled opposed to being in close proximity to you in daylight.
Calmer game which cant distinguish what is coming towards them as quickly in the dark
Less public tend to be in the woods
Less traffic on roads.

After the culling season I’m visiting friends in Europe to help do aftersearch and to pick up my next pup. We will choose if possible to track during night time hours due to these advantages.
 
What do we do currently if we loose a rabbit or a fox?
Anybody been charged with animal cruelty?
Lee has clearly done a lot of stuff, but whynis a deers suffering worse than a fox.
If a deer has traveled 5.5km isnt there a fairly good chance it will recover?
May be im just an axse but i dont see why nights will cause more wounding or why its important
 
RCS Deer Management said:
I think that it’s obvious that you are making a presumption and that you don’t work dogs tracking deer? Any real world experience? Tracking deer at night is often easier due to multiple factors
Less pressure changes
Less temperature
Often damper ground holding scent
Wounded game is often calmer in torch light where it is dazzled opposed to being in close proximity to you in daylight.
Calmer game which cant distinguish what is coming towards them as quickly in the dark
Less public tend to be in the woods
Less traffic on roads.

After the culling season I’m visiting friends in Europe to help do aftersearch and to pick up my next pup. We will choose if possible to track during night time hours due to these advantages.
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Some people will never admit they are wrong despite all evidence or better knowledge.

But I’ll take on your experience and can understand how darkness can help. My assumption was based on the ability to see better during daylight and give a killing shot by either a rifle following or rifles placed in forward positions.
 
shakey jake said:
What do we do currently if we loose a rabbit or a fox?
Anybody been charged with animal cruelty?
Lee has clearly done a lot of stuff, but whynis a deers suffering worse than a fox.
If a deer has traveled 5.5km isnt there a fairly good chance it will recover?
May be im just an axse but i dont see why nights will cause more wounding or why its important
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That stags bones lake over the next boundary I couldn’t cross!

It lost too much blood running on rut adrenaline.

That’s the exact reason I don’t track anymore, too many rules that are against you, add that to stalkers who know better and only call you out as a very last resort to polish the terd with a 💩 soaked rag
 
Deermanagement said:
Some people will never admit they are wrong despite all evidence or better knowledge.

But I’ll take on your experience and can understand how darkness can help. My assumption was based on the ability to see better during daylight and give a killing shot by either a rifle following or rifles placed in forward positions.
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I can see how it would look like that, but honestly, given the choice I would take a night time track with my dog over a daytime track any day, and a lot of people who do a lot more tracking on the continent feel the same. It might not be everyone’s preference, but I would wonder about the ability of a tracking team who refuses to work at night.
 
Norfolk Deer Search said:
That stags bones lake over the next boundary I couldn’t cross!

It lost too much blood running on rut adrenaline.

That’s the exact reason I don’t track anymore, too many rules that are against you, add that to stalkers who know better and only call you out as a very last resort to polish the terd with a 💩 soaked rag
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What does lake mean?
 
The only real reason I could potentially see too night-time tracking Is potential injury too the dogs? since your a little more likely too accidently "step" on them, but even then I'm a little near-sighted I would see a couched up deer's eyes in the lamp way quicker than I would in day time too.

I'm sure most of you guys doing deer recovery have advanced too bringing thermal spotters too though?
 
Sol said:
The only real reason I could potentially see too night-time tracking Is potential injury too the dogs? since your a little more likely too accidently "step" on them, but even then I'm a little near-sighted I would see a couched up deer's eyes in the lamp way quicker than I would in day time too.

I'm sure most of you guys doing deer recovery have advanced too bringing thermal spotters too though?
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All depends on where you are tracking, thermal is no good in heavy cover!

Dog before thermal every time
 
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nf-fuse said:
Condition of the licence though isn't it.
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Fair point, and now I have received my CL55 I see that it is a requirement. I can see Police control rooms being overwhelmed with reports of planned night shooting by deer Stalkers. Maybe a workable solution is to get one Incident Number to cover the entire season (?) so you don't need to file a new Report each time you go out. (?)
 
Erik Hamburger said:
Fair point, and now I have received my CL55 I see that it is a requirement. I can see Police control rooms being overwhelmed with reports of planned night shooting by deer Stalkers. Maybe a workable solution is to get one Incident Number to cover the entire season (?) so you don't need to file a new Report each time you go out. (?)
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Good idea and common sense so it’ll never happen
 
Erik Hamburger said:
Fair point, and now I have received my CL55 I see that it is a requirement. I can see Police control rooms being overwhelmed with reports of planned night shooting by deer Stalkers. Maybe a workable solution is to get one Incident Number to cover the entire season (?) so you don't need to file a new Report each time you go out. (?)
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Everything listed under best practice, is now mandated by law.
 
Jh1986 said:
Everything listed under best practice, is now mandated by law.
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To be honest I find understand how cl55 works in a legal sense.

Maybe someone with knowledge of the law can explain. There's a law that prohibits night shooting of deer (deer act 1991). Presumably with penalties.

In cl55 they are saying you can fined 2500 quid for breaching cl55. How does a license get a fine schedule when it's not part of any actual law. Unless they fines come from the deer act.

Can someone explain how it all works??
 
@Norfolk Deer Search. This is a genuine question and not me trying to be difficult. Say someone shoots a deer at last light, it runs and needs to be tracked. How is that any different to someone night shooting it? Surely there's a potential welfare problem with both situations and if the argument is along the lines of 'they shouldn't be shot in the dark because of welfare and tracking difficulties', should the same logic not be applied to say 'no shooting at last light as you need to leave time for potential need to track it'? Again, genuine question and I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from.

I get the 'everyone and his dog will now bw signing up for it and not all may be as experienced' angle.

My Austrian friends don't night shoot in their Revier but neighbouring Reviers which the deer travel from/through are hunted in at night to get numbers down (govt rules regarding TB). IIRC they reported that in their hunting ground the deer became more wary and on edge as a result of not having safety at night and harder to stalk.
 
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