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Ratel said:
I'm finding this discussion quite amusing. Maybe because I am old enough to have seen where it all started.
There is a Club that once was an interesting organisation to be in. No matter how much experience you had you started off as a trainee and stalked with an upgraded A member the grades being ABCand D. This club had a rigorous training scheme and you probably took five years moving up to B grade where you were allowed to stalk on foot. This all involved talks, range training and real stalking.
One day (from memory circa 1975 ish) a group of BDS folk were interested in training and were invited down to Thetford forest to see what went on. Talk about Revelation, very shortly afterwards came the BDS "Woodland Stalkers certificate" and so the present situation arose. As an A stalker in the afore mentioned club I did this new cert for a laugh meeting people who had probably only ever shot a few deer (although I did the safety bit with a well experienced chap I had known for years). It was a little enlightening, but bearing in mind how many deer I had accounted for before I joined that club or took the BDS thingy, it was all just of little use. I did however do my bit by becoming an AW (packing in when paying for the priviledge was mooted) but eventually I only took out keepers or military vets I knew for level 2.
So there it is my friends experience always trumps paper in a practical world.
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I used to work in a place who’s motto was ‘Experiencia Docet’ - experience teaches..

The motto was 100% correct in my opinion. And I was extremely proud to be someone who worked there, as were the students who attended and passed courses.
 
8 pages in the echo chamber!!!!

Deer stalkers need to take their responsibilities regarding population management seriously but..........There is still a place for old fashioned deer stalking. Savouring the moment - deciding to leave a deer if it just doesn't feel right - deciding to stop at one, do the gralloch and just relax and chill out in the woods - stalking with iron sights or without a moderator............Whatever it is that floats your boat.

It doesn't have to be polarised black and white, there can be a time for getting the numbers and a time for really enjoying the sport for what it is. A time for sport and a time for pest control.

if it was only pest control - I wouldn't do it.
 
Keith Edmunds said:
8 pages in the echo chamber!!!!

Deer stalkers need to take their responsibilities regarding population management seriously but..........There is still a place for old fashioned deer stalking. Savouring the moment - deciding to leave a deer if it just doesn't feel right - deciding to stop at one, do the gralloch and just relax and chill out in the woods - stalking with iron sights or without a moderator............Whatever it is that floats your boat.

It doesn't have to be polarised black and white, there can be a time for getting the numbers and a time for really enjoying the sport for what it is. A time for sport and a time for pest control.

if it was only pest control - I wouldn't do it.
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This final line is absolutely perfect.

I don’t stalk deer because I’m obsessed with trees and re-gen, or I’m a rewilder, I do it because I enjoy it and like the meat. Of course all the aforementioned factors mean it is a necessity but that doesn’t detract from the fact that I enjoy it, and very much enjoy watching deer. I do a lot of stalking sans rifle.

WS1 and night licences are really beginning to drum the enjoyment out of it, just the way deer are being viewed. Shooting the deer to shreds then being compelled to sit in an empty wood is going to be grim.
 
JH83 said:
This final line is absolutely perfect.

I don’t stalk deer because I’m obsessed with trees and re-gen, or I’m a rewilder, I do it because I enjoy it and like the meat. Of course all the aforementioned factors mean it is a necessity but that doesn’t detract from the fact that I enjoy it, and very much enjoy watching deer. I do a lot of stalking sans rifle.

WS1 and night licences are really beginning to drum the enjoyment out of it, just the way deer are being viewed. Shooting the deer to shreds then being compelled to sit in an empty wood is going to be grim.
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What you wrote some time back :doh:


I agree that Munts should be shot on sight, as they are prolific in this neck of the woods, and this will be another recomendation.

Cheers

James.
 
JH83 said:
This final line is absolutely perfect.

I don’t stalk deer because I’m obsessed with trees and re-gen, or I’m a rewilder, I do it because I enjoy it and like the meat. Of course all the aforementioned factors mean it is a necessity but that doesn’t detract from the fact that I enjoy it, and very much enjoy watching deer. I do a lot of stalking sans rifle.

WS1 and night licences are really beginning to drum the enjoyment out of it, just the way deer are being viewed. Shooting the deer to shreds then being compelled to sit in an empty wood is going to be grim.
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Your final line.........Only if you let it, it's not compulsory to turn into a 'pest controller'. External fads, fashions and forces can't change your soul.......I am hanging on to mine
:)
 
Tim.243 said:
What you wrote some time back :doh:


I agree that Munts should be shot on sight, as they are prolific in this neck of the woods, and this will be another recomendation.

Cheers

James.
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I don't think the two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive Tim. I would agree that, in most areas, munties should be shot on sight but that doesn't mean that I always do (though I do 99% of the time) I personally hate the idea of leaving a fawn to starve but trying to work out the progress of gestation of a doe by looking at it is hardly scientific.

We let this youngster live to die another day - just didn't feel right.
 

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Keith Edmunds said:
I don't think the two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive Tim. I would agree that, in most areas, munties should be shot on sight but that doesn't mean that I always do (though I do 99% of the time) I personally hate the idea of leaving a fawn to starve but trying to work out the progress of gestation of a doe by looking at it is hardly scientific.

We let this youngster live to die another day - just didn't feel right.
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I didn't write it Keith
JH83 did :doh: :tiphat:
 
jimmer.13 said:
Nope he’s bang on.
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No he is not.
Slandering to favor your own money making scheme is not acceptable, it is anti social behaviour.
This is guy is polluting, downgrading and dividing the hunting community with his copycat bs, he would be a good populist politician. The unprincipled acting principled, dragging everything around him down for his own profit.
Just an utter a$$hole.
 
Emilio said:
No he is not.
Slandering to favor your own money making scheme is not acceptable, it is anti social behaviour.
This is guy is polluting, downgrading and dividing the hunting community with his copycat bs, he would be a good populist politician. The unprincipled acting principled, dragging everything around him down for his own profit.
Just an utter a$$hole.
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He’s not dividing any community, he’s out to make money by providing the same opportunities as all the other providers do. It’s called free market enterprise chap. Nothing different at all.
McDonald’s versus Burger King… overpriced crap that most of us can do without but some can’t live without it, however it creates jobs and wealth for some.
Shot my first deer when I was 14 didn’t do DSC1 until I was 47.
My AW for level 2 shot his first deer with me under my guidance and mentoring just a few short years before hand.
None of these courses are mandatory and you can still obtain a deer calibre to go stalking provided you can satisfy your FEO.
(A good mate just had his variation drop through the letterbox last week).
If courses are to become mandatory, then I personally think we should have something not too dissimilar to the German Jagdschien. It seems to work well for them.
 
Emilio said:
No he is not.
Slandering to favor your own money making scheme is not acceptable, it is anti social behaviour.
This is guy is polluting, downgrading and dividing the hunting community with his copycat bs, he would be a good populist politician. The unprincipled acting principled, dragging everything around him down for his own profit.
Just an utter a$$hole.
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So what is different to dmq ?! They created the money making scheme which is now being used for fac applications despite is being promised it wouldn’t and despite it being against home office guidelines
 
Emilio said:
No he is not.
Slandering to favor your own money making scheme is not acceptable, it is anti social behaviour.
This is guy is polluting, downgrading and dividing the hunting community with his copycat bs, he would be a good populist politician. The unprincipled acting principled, dragging everything around him down for his own profit.
Just an utter a$$hole.
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Absolute joke 🤣
 
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