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jimmer.13 said:
Sorry my mistake I ment Dutch.
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All country's in the EU have a mandatory course because nobody is allowed out in the open with a rifle without proper training. Seems like a sound idea to me, because every year people get killed by hunters shooting them, especially France has these problems.

The 2 organisations for hunting in Holland are coöperating and have a course they run and promote together. They share knowledge and legal expenses, without this coöperation the anti's would end hunting by private people pretty quickly.
The Dutch course is about 2.500 pounds with all the (partly online) meetings, prep, execise and exams. That is if you pass first time, if not add 400-500 pounds for each attempt after. It is a way more comprehensive course than fi DSC-1, which is usefull but basic. The UK has it easy.
 
Emilio said:
All country's in the EU have a mandatory course because nobody is allowed out in the open with a rifle without proper training. Seems like a sound idea to me, because every year people get killed by hunters shooting them, especially France has these problems.
The 2 organisations for hunting there are in Holland are coöperating and have a course they run and promote together. They share knowledge and legal expenses, without this coöperation the anti's would end hunting by private people pretty quickly.
The Dutch course is about 2.500 pounds with all the (partly online) meetings, prep, execise and exams. That is if you pass first time, if not add 400-500 pounds for each attempt after. It is a way more comprehensive course than fi DSC-1, which is usefull but basic. The UK has it easy.
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Outstanding

So why do you oppose training providers in the UK other than DMQ?
Especially when they provide the exact same syllabus and some may argue a more comprehensive course?
 
Emilio said:
All country's in the EU have a mandatory course because nobody is allowed out in the open with a rifle without proper training. Seems like a sound idea to me, because every year people get killed by hunters shooting them, especially France has these problems.

The 2 organisations for hunting in Holland are coöperating and have a course they run and promote together. They share knowledge and legal expenses, without this coöperation the anti's would end hunting by private people pretty quickly.
The Dutch course is about 2.500 pounds with all the (partly online) meetings, prep, execise and exams. That is if you pass first time, if not add 400-500 pounds for each attempt after. It is a way more comprehensive course than fi DSC-1, which is usefull but basic. The UK has it easy.
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And yet in uk almost zero fatal hunting accidents and no mandatory training…..
 
Emilio said:
All country's in the EU have a mandatory course because nobody is allowed out in the open with a rifle without proper training. Seems like a sound idea to me, because every year people get killed by hunters shooting them, especially France has these problems.

The 2 organisations for hunting in Holland are coöperating and have a course they run and promote together. They share knowledge and legal expenses, without this coöperation the anti's would end hunting by private people pretty quickly.
The Dutch course is about 2.500 pounds with all the (partly online) meetings, prep, execise and exams. That is if you pass first time, if not add 400-500 pounds for each attempt after. It is a way more comprehensive course than fi DSC-1, which is usefull but basic. The UK has it easy.
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I get it

I completed my Jagdschien about 25 years ago.

Loved it.😊
 
jimmer.13 said:
Outstanding

So why do you oppose training providers in the UK other than DMQ?
Especially when they provide the exact same syllabus and some may argue a more comprehensive course?
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I do not oppose training. I oppose slandering to put the competition down and get people to fill your pockets
It is a simple course, google says the UK has over 1 million hunters, so more than enough for everybody to go around. We have 30K hunters in Holland and there everybody can cooperate.with not much to go around.
So why all the bad talking in plain view when there is enough to go around? Absolutely no need, just highlight your own strong points and be done. This kind of public critisim is hurtfull for the whole hunting community and to me says a lot about the person doing so.
 
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Emilio said:
All country's in the EU have a mandatory course because nobody is allowed out in the open with a rifle without proper training. Seems like a sound idea to me, because every year people get killed by hunters shooting them, especially France has these problems.

The 2 organisations for hunting in Holland are coöperating and have a course they run and promote together. They share knowledge and legal expenses, without this coöperation the anti's would end hunting by private people pretty quickly.
The Dutch course is about 2.500 pounds with all the (partly online) meetings, prep, execise and exams. That is if you pass first time, if not add 400-500 pounds for each attempt after. It is a way more comprehensive course than fi DSC-1, which is usefull but basic. The UK has it easy.
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Ever stood on a Kesseltrieben?

Exhilarating but also quite terrifying…. It can sometimes replicate a fire fight in Fallujah 😂
 
Emilio said:
I do not oppose training. I oppose slandering to put the competition down and get people to fill your pockets
It is a simple course, google says the UK has over 1 million hunters, so more than enough for everybody to go around. We have 30K hunters in Holland and there everybody can cooperate.with not much to go around.
So why all the bad talking in plain view when there is enough to go around? Absolutely no need, just highlight your own strong points and be done. This kind of public critisim is hurtfull for the whole hunting community and to me says a lot about the lerson doing so.
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What’s enough to go around ? I fear you have no clue about hunting in the uk, as for voicing your views I did that then you reported me and ignored me for telling the truth
 
Emilio said:
I do not oppose training. I oppose slandering to put the competition down and get people to fill your pockets
It is a simple course, google says the UK has over 1 million hunters, so more than enough for everybody to go around. We have 30K hunters in Holland and there everybody can cooperate.with not much to go around.
So why all the bad talking in plain view when there is enough to go around? Absolutely no need, just highlight your own strong points and be done. This kind of public critisim is hurtfull for the whole hunting community and to me says a lot about the lerson doing so.
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No.

It’s just your perception and opinion.

Most hunters in the UK do appreciate training whether it be formal or the passing on of knowledge. Personally I think it’s refreshing that there are more people getting involved and providing the opportunity to get more people out stalking and hunting.
Nothing wrong with healthy competition in the market.
The antis are a rabid dysfunctional part of our society, always have been and always will be.
The lead debate has been more harmful along with trail hunting etc, than an entrepreneur trying to tout his training course.
 
jimmer.13 said:
No.

It’s just your perception and opinion.

Most hunters in the UK do appreciate training whether it be formal or the passing on of knowledge. Personally I think it’s refreshing that there are more people getting involved and providing the opportunity to get more people out stalking and hunting.
Nothing wrong with healthy competition in the market.
The antis are a rabid dysfunctional part of our society, always have been and always will be.
The lead debate has been more harmful along with trail hunting etc, than an entrepreneur trying to tout his training course.
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We'll talk in 10 years time. Then you can rant about how good the old days where and what a mess it is then.
Seen it happen in politics and hunting in the EU, will see it happen in the UK with this UNhealthy competition.
Pride comes before a fall and the anti's will cheer, just like in the EU/Holland
 
Emilio said:
We'll talk in 10 years time. Then you can rant about how good the old days where and what a mess it is then.
Seen it happen in politics and hunting in the EU, will see it happen in the UK with this UNhealthy competition.
Pride comes before a fall and the anti's will cheer, just like in the EU/Holland
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Mate.

No one is ranting, just expressing an opinion on personal experience and the current social perception in the uk. Both from experienced stalkers and novices and what we as hunters perceive from the general population.
It’s difficult to gauge what the general public feel about hunting in general. Driven shooting of game birds is a hot topic but personally I think deer stalking on the whole doesn’t receive much negativity.
This is probably due to a public awareness that the deer population needs to be managed and a healthy balance maintained. There has been quite a lot in the mainstream media as of late to highlight this. There is a concerted drive to promote the sale of venison and in my profession I see a considerable uptake of more and more people wanting to get involved with stalking.
This I only see as a good thing and as much as I would like to see informal mentoring as the way forward to encourage the next generation of hunters, unfortunately there are not enough good folks with the time to provide this.
Therefore promoting training and encouraging potential stalkers to engage with providers (who ever it may be) has to be a positive thing?
I did the DMQ route and to be honest quite enjoyed it. Learned a few new techniques and brushed up on legislation. But to be clear I have no issue with PDS as it also provides an equally good syllabus of training.
You pay your money and take your choice. To be fair to Peter Jones, there are quite a few cockwombels involved with DMQ and the BDS.
All part of the fantastic human tapestry 🫡
 
jimmer.13 said:
Mate.

No one is ranting, just expressing an opinion on personal experience and the current social perception in the uk. Both from experienced stalkers and novices and what we as hunters perceive from the general population.
It’s difficult to gauge what the general public feel about hunting in general. Driven shooting of game birds is a hot topic but personally I think deer stalking on the whole doesn’t receive much negativity.
This is probably due to a public awareness that the deer population needs to be managed and a healthy balance maintained. There has been quite a lot in the mainstream media as of late to highlight this. There is a concerted drive to promote the sale of venison and in my profession I see a considerable uptake of more and more people wanting to get involved with stalking.
This I only see as a good thing and as much as I would like to see informal mentoring as the way forward to encourage the next generation of hunters, unfortunately there are not enough good folks with the time to provide this.
Therefore promoting training and encouraging potential stalkers to engage with providers (who ever it may be) has to be a positive thing?
I did the DMQ route and to be honest quite enjoyed it. Learned a few new techniques and brushed up on legislation. But to be clear I have no issue with PDS as it also provides an equally good syllabus of training.
You pay your money and take your choice. To be fair to Peter Jones, there are quite a few cockwombels involved with DMQ and the BDS.
All part of the fantastic human tapestry 🫡
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The guy should mind his own bussiness, not meddle with others.
So just wait. We'll see.
 
jimmer.13 said:
Just out of interest, do you stalk or shoot in the UK regularly?
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I ask him the same question!
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Tim.243 said:
What guides have you use here for your stalking or holland ?
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What Is the relevance of that exactly? You have no arguments and try to find something to evade factual discussion?

A good guide will judge the people he takes, will asses whether they are serious, capable and have the right mindset to take things serious and keep things safe.
If any doubt after the first call, later contact or when at the start of a stalk he will not continue. Also, when no experience with riffles, first to the range to teach and asses and only then in the field. If necessary, just go out 1:1 and/or on...

with this follow up :doh:

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Tim.243 said:
So you are swerving the question of stalking experience lol my comments are factual from experience.
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Again not relevant.
I am not looking for banter. I am just trying to help somebody get started instead of putting him off, so if (probably when...) you continu this annoying behaviour I wil put you on ignore. Do not need negative people in my life, way bigger problems to worrie about....
 
tjm160 said:
Sadly, no amount of education or discussion will ever deprive a village of their idiot.
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Funny, earlier in the thread I answered your question when you asked what I was doing to help people ( free stalking and mentoring and permissions etc ) I then asked you what you were doing and got no reply so you’re right no amount of discussion will deprive us sadly, and resorting to name calling just shows when you’ve lost an argument 🤷🏼 well done 😊
 
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Tim.243 said:
I ask him the same question!
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Post in thread 'Is booking a 3 person guided stalk possible ?'

Tim.243 said:
What guides have you use here for your stalking or holland ?
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What Is the relevance of that exactly? You have no arguments and try to find something to evade factual discussion?

A good guide will judge the people he takes, will asses whether they are serious, capable and have the right mindset to take things serious and keep things safe.
If any doubt after the first call, later contact or when at the start of a stalk he will not continue. Also, when no experience with riffles, first to the range to teach and asses and only then in the field. If necessary, just go out 1:1 and/or on...

with this follow up :doh:

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Post in thread 'Is booking a 3 person guided stalk possible ?'

Tim.243 said:
So you are swerving the question of stalking experience lol my comments are factual from experience.
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Again not relevant.
I am not looking for banter. I am just trying to help somebody get started instead of putting him off, so if (probably when...) you continu this annoying behaviour I wil put you on ignore. Do not need negative people in my life, way bigger problems to worrie about....
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Ow! Forgot to pit you on ignore last time you tried to attack me because no arguments, same as now.
Solved now, saves people the troiwble of warning me for you via pm. Says it all does it not?
 
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