Pine Marten - and other predator releases

Yes, to both.

Hedgehogs in particular showed a marked increase in numbers. Now, once more, I'm finding their skins, so they won't last long.

The incidence of BTB has started increasing once more, both totally predictable.
 
When the Pine Martens and Buzzards started to increase their territories in Ireland from the 90s onwards there was a noticeable decrease in grey squirrel population. In fact the buzzards got the credit first as they were more noticeable.
What was pleasantly surprising was how quickly the red squirrels reappeared, albeit in very low numbers. The likes of the National Parks and Wildlife Service were very slow to credit the buzzards and martens with reducing the greys. I couldn't put my finger on the exact date but years earlier they sponsored a PhD student who concluded that grey squirrels were not a threat to trees.
I've seen at first hand the marten damage to release pens and poultry from the late 80's. This was from a population that was spreading naturally.
I believe that even in Ireland there were relocations by NPWS.
In the 80's I saw martens in Wicklow, and they were widespread on the west coast.
When they have finished off the grey squirrels easy pickings, it's natural that they turn their attention to the next easy prey.
In the much missed Stalking magazine I think it was Struthan Robertson who wrote about the depradations of the Marten in the Highlands. That would have been the 90's?

"What was pleasantly surprising was how quickly the red squirrels reappeared, albeit in very low numbers."

Genuine question: why would pine martens have a negative effect on grey squirrels but not reds?
 
"What was pleasantly surprising was how quickly the red squirrels reappeared, albeit in very low numbers."

Genuine question: why would pine martens have a negative effect on grey squirrels but not reds?
I think the thought process is that the pine martens kill the greys in areas where there are greys only hence no impact on the reds. Obviously they will kill reds if there are reds about.

Its like releasing lynx to control deer numbers....because it has worked in areas that are vastly different to the UK...not very sensible.
 
"What was pleasantly surprising was how quickly the red squirrels reappeared, albeit in very low numbers."

Genuine question: why would pine martens have a negative effect on grey squirrels but not reds?
Various theories have been proposed.

The grey squirrel is not genetically programmed to recognise the Marten as a predator. ?

The red squirrel is light enough to travel on branches which won't carry the heavier Marten if he is preying on them?

My own opinion is that in addition there must have been remnant populations of red squirrels at the lowest level of sustainability which reappeared once the grey population dropped sufficiently. I know of two places in Cavan / Monaghan where the owners had given up all hope of seeing reds again but they did.

West of the Shannon is supposed to be grey squirrel free, but has always had Pine Martens. They appear to be able to co exist with the reds. Perhaps someone is examining marten droppings to see what proportion of their diet is red squirrel. If so I haven't seen the details.
 
I'm generally in favour of most types of 're-wilding' and species restoration BUT; I used to keep tabs on what was described as "the only genetically pure" population of Red Squirrels in the 'core area' in mid Wales. A year after the pine marten re-introduction by VWT near Devils Bridge which is at the top of the forestry network that represented the red squirrel 'core area' I could find no recent signs of red squirrels but lots of pine marten droppings- many containing squirrel claws, there are very few grey squirrels in this area (as the habitat is to poor even for them) which is one reason why the reds had survived there.
Since then there have been odd reports of red squirrels well outside the 'core area' but I have heard of none from inside. A situation which is not helped by the 'red squirrel project' seeming to have lost its funding and gone very quiet.
Will the dispersed red squirrel population have sufficient contact to survive? Not sure if anyones watching.

Most of it is bonkers

Beavers in pens

Red kites fed like fair ground attractions

Sea eagles hammering - well everything

All about money sadly
 
It was also interesting last night to watch the buzzard nest when red squirrel was served for tea


Mr P stated - well no studies of Buzzards have been done but Goshawks only east 1.2 percent as a proportion of their diet or something like that - what a joke - hardly any reds so obviously hardly any will be eaten - but each one lost is a disaster
 
It seems utterly insane to be constantly adding more mid level predators, which we already have in numbers, when the species they feed on are in such trouble. If anyone wants to reintroduce anything I would suggest the rabbit is a good bet. Their decline has put enormous pressure on the remaining prey species who have taken over as the food source for everything that used to live on rabbits.
 
This is going back a bit, say 10 yrs or so, up about Aviemore/Boat of Garten area.

Some Ospreys started nesting on a sporting estate away from the famous long established nest.
Within the first 3 or 4 yrs had 2 incidents ( from memory it was 1 chick 1 yr and 2 the next year) caught on camera of chick's being attacked and knocked from the nest.

Makes u wonder how many times it actually happens and been covered up and tapes lost as does not suit their narrative.
And how many years as they have been videoing 5hem long before cameras were easily accessable
The RSPB caught wind of our local Osprey nest, and in their inimitable style, decided to intervene, ringing the young chicks; upshot was one dead chick - dropped by the ringing guy up the tree, and an abandoned nest thereafter.

Always the same: intervention to ‘assist’ the vulnerable species ends up doing far more harm than good, and always, but always at the expense of the at risk species.

Vidar Marcström did the research on predation impacts forty years ago and more, yet the chumps persist in trying to reinvent the wheel, or run counter to common sense measures which can tangibly benefit the prey species.
 
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