I think it would have identified as a he/she
"Murder" Buck
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1st Pattern Paul
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That's cool
Huntersforge
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DEVON _ DEERSTALKING
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This old boy had a single point one side
HonestJohn
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He’s just a baby. Could be a nice 4-6pt next year
HonestJohn
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Now that’s an actual proper old and going back cull beast that was left to live and breed. Well done
Huntersforge
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Unlikely. There’s enough better young bucks showing so he’s going
Sol
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Spikers have a pretty good chance at becoming something decent regardless of the size of there first head
Roe deer are built too grow quick and produce antlers fast within a year of birth there likely already within hard antler or at least very close too right now, and they start growing during the toughest months, where reds the spikers have already developed there pedical and wont have hard antlers until september a much more favourable timeframe for antler growth.
There's a lot that can effect a little roe too even something as simple as being born right now, versus earlier last month can greatly effect the forage they can eat once there on solids, the mothers territory and If the mother ends up shot during the winter season makes a good impact too.
There much better judged at 2yo in my view I get excited seeing a buck, but when I see them and see there little ones I leave them for the most part most times regardless you'll find they migrate off anyways, no real pressure too shoot roe here.
Roe deer are built too grow quick and produce antlers fast within a year of birth there likely already within hard antler or at least very close too right now, and they start growing during the toughest months, where reds the spikers have already developed there pedical and wont have hard antlers until september a much more favourable timeframe for antler growth.
There's a lot that can effect a little roe too even something as simple as being born right now, versus earlier last month can greatly effect the forage they can eat once there on solids, the mothers territory and If the mother ends up shot during the winter season makes a good impact too.
There much better judged at 2yo in my view I get excited seeing a buck, but when I see them and see there little ones I leave them for the most part most times regardless you'll find they migrate off anyways, no real pressure too shoot roe here.
HonestJohn
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Well said that, and correct indeed. Base cull decisions on body size and structure, not the head they carry. And to mention, young spikers are not in any way murder bucks, as they do not fight for territory or breeding does, so have no risk bearing element, in stark comparison to true murder bucks, which are typically territory holding mature bucks that are going back and have short pointed antlers without fines that would stop a deep penetrating wound
Sol
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Yep, roe deer are not particularly hard animals too age either assuming you have a relative good view of the coronets.
Right - left
1, 2-3, 3-5, 5+ - regardless of antler, or coronet sloping the maturity between each animal pedical tells Its own story too!
Also man I love breaking those fiddly little bones dont i? all of them are crudely glued back on!
HonestJohn
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How well the seam has come together is another good way to tell approx age. A 4-5 year old buck can come across as old with relative ease if he is starting to get a bit tired and walk a bit like an older buck, and with big coronets and lower pedicles. Yet, he’s in his prime. I have seen buckets of such bucks shot by people thinking they’re old or going back, until they’re on the deck, then the excuses and self justifications start 
hell, I’ve done it myself!
The amazing thing is, people have this ability to hold their deer management principles to extraordinary heights, yet shoot every deer they see, and have an encyclopaedia of reasons why
Maybe some people should just say - “hell, I like to go stalking and shoot deer, gives me a thrill, and I don’t really care about proper management, just want to enjoy myself”
Back off to my box in preachers corner
hell, I’ve done it myself!The amazing thing is, people have this ability to hold their deer management principles to extraordinary heights, yet shoot every deer they see, and have an encyclopaedia of reasons why
Maybe some people should just say - “hell, I like to go stalking and shoot deer, gives me a thrill, and I don’t really care about proper management, just want to enjoy myself”
Back off to my box in preachers corner
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