Not a ****ing contest at all. Merely a statistic. Why would I need to change. I live in Norfolk, it's flat. No shooting across valleys down here. I feel a 55gn is safer than a 87gn as it carries less down range energy. A shot over 300 at night is a long way even with gen3. If I'm unable to get closer i leave it for another night when i can get a result. I'm not a distance chaser. My record this year was 18 paces. Beat that.
223 or 22/250
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I contacted Styer about the barrel attaching to the receiver issue and this was their reply.
bryn
Bryn,
On the Pro Varmint as well as all other SBS action rifles (except the Scout) the barrels are screwed in to the receiver.
Thank You
Jeff Reece
Product Technical Adviser
Customer Support
Steyr Arms Inc
205-417-8644 ext 113
bryn
Bryn,
On the Pro Varmint as well as all other SBS action rifles (except the Scout) the barrels are screwed in to the receiver.
Thank You
Jeff Reece
Product Technical Adviser
Customer Support
Steyr Arms Inc
205-417-8644 ext 113
jay 22
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love the 22/250 youi made a good choice. as if your buying new you have no need to worry about barrel life for 1000's of rounds. who cares if they wear out quicker then a 223.
how many foxes and other vermin do people expect to shoot.if your not using it for targets all the time then barrel life isnt worth thinking about imo
how many foxes and other vermin do people expect to shoot.if your not using it for targets all the time then barrel life isnt worth thinking about imo
sir-slots-alot
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With respect - bullets like he 55 grn SBK and 58 grn Hornady Vmax are excellent foxing bullets and will often perforn better at sensible foxing distances than 85 grn bullets.
From my experience of runnning a 58 grn Vmax at 3900 fps , they are a perfect foxing bullet - Laser flat and very hard hitting well out past 300 yrds.
They are also much more frangible on impact , than heavier bullets that where designed for deer. This offers a extra level of safety over the heavier lead.
As for performance - let try and bring some fact to this - Heres the figures for bullet drop - Drift in 5 mph crosswind and impact energy...... At 300 YARDS
85 grn Sierra @ 3200 fps - Drop 10 inches - Drift 4.3 inches - Impact energy - 1050 ftlb
58 grn Vmax @ 3900 fps - Drop 6.1 inches - Drift 4.1 inches - Impact energy - 940 ftlb
87 grn Vmax @ 3200 fps - Drop 9.1 inches - Drift 3.2 inches - Impact energy - 1240 ftlb
The lighter pills actually beat the 85 grn bullets for both drop and drift at 300 yrds - The impact energy is 940 ftlb - plenty good enough for a fox.
Even when compared to an 87 grn Vmax - the lighter bullets has 50 % less drop and only one inch more in the wind (at 300 yrds).
Its a fair point that as you go out further - they start to tail off compared with the better BC bullets - but for 300 yrds and below, they take some beating as, an out and out foxer.
ATB
Alan
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mchughcb
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Not sure what you are sighting in for. I'm using the 87gr Vmax at about 3150fps with a 200m zero. That ensures that 300 yards its only dropped just under 5" which is more than adequate for me. Also the Vmax explode foxes so the chance of wounding is greatly reduced.
sir-slots-alot
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I used a standard 100 yards zero for the loads in the comparision.
Obviously if you increase the zero range for each to 218 yards (or 200 meters) the drop at 300 yrds will be less over the remaining 80 yrds , that is true for each of the loads.
The lighter bullet will still have about a third less elevation travel than the 87 grn Vmax. I have fired thousands of 87 Vmax in several 243's and a couple od 6BR's - they are a superb all rounder.
The point I was making was in response to forum members saying that the lighter bullets were "Crap" and "They get demolished in the wind" Both of these comments are untrue..... in fact , the lighter and faster bullet will have less drop and drift than a 85 grn HP bullet out to 300 yrds.
Ballistically the 6mm calibre firing a 58 grn Vmax / 55 grn SBK is very similar to a 22.250 firing a 50 grn B/tip bullet. I have never heard anyone say that a 22.250 is crap for foxing.
ATB
Alan
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Exactly what I had thought. This is precisely why I mentioned the .243 in a thread comparing the .22-250 with the .223. My point was to invite comparisons between a .243 firing a 55 grn bullet and a .22-250 firing a bullet of similar weight. I thought it a worthwhile point to discuss because on paper the 55 grn .243 appears as good if not better than a 50 grn .22-250.
How a 55 grn .243 round stacks up against a 87/90/105 grn .243 is not relevant. Sorry to the OP for introducing this derailment.
Triggermortis
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+1 bewsher, but the question to. Ask is " will the fox be any deader with the 2250 than the 223"
whilst the 2250 might have more muzzle energy it also isnt as sociable in terms of noise which if you shoot near houses, livestock and roads must be a consideration?
Cost, noise, barrel life and if like me you're reliant on factory ammunition, finding the ammunition. (And the right rifle to start with.)
And if you are reloading how many options does the .220 offer? A genuine question as I don't know. Another plus point for the .243 for me. 55grn to 90 from a 1:10 twist is a pretty useful spectrum.
.220 Swift :-
"The .220 Swift and other ultra velocity .224’s cannot be directly compared with other cartridges due to their unique performance. The Swift can be a spectacular killer but it does have serious limitations.
Regardless of bullet style, when used on medium game, the .220 Swift is deadliest when used as a 125 yard cartridge. Beyond this range, the Swift is identical in performance to the .222 and .223. * The Swift is not therefore consistent in its wounding performance over normal hunting ranges (out to 300 yards). When used on animals of 60kg (130lb) and up to 80kg (180lb), this cartridge is best utilized by experienced hunters. For general use on medium game where body weights may be as heavy as 120kg (260lb), the Swift should never be chosen as a first option. Emphasis should always be towards the welfare of the animal, not the skill of the hunter.
Comments made regarding the .220 Swift as being more effective than several .243 loads must be understood in context. The .243 can be just as easily exploited and once optimized, is far superior to and far more versatile than the swift."
*Didn't know that..
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from: http://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/223rem/
"our Readers’ Poll, the .223 Rem (both standard and improved) ranked first among preferred varmint rounds. The .223 Rem is efficient and versatile. It can sling 40-grainers past 3650 fps, and deliver 90gr VLDs accurately at 1000 yards."
"our Readers’ Poll, the .223 Rem (both standard and improved) ranked first among preferred varmint rounds. The .223 Rem is efficient and versatile. It can sling 40-grainers past 3650 fps, and deliver 90gr VLDs accurately at 1000 yards."
important to consider prior to purchase
.22-250 Recommended Twist Rates
The .22-250 shoots a wide range of bullets very effectively, from 35gr flat-based varmint bullets, to ultra-long 90gr VLDs. However, you’ll need the right twist rate for your choice of bullet. For max velocity and accuracy with the lightest bullets, a 1:14″ twist may be ideal. More versatile is a 1:12″ twist that will allow you to shoot the popular 60-64 grain match bullets. For normal lead-core jacketed bullets, a true 1:9″ twist will let you shoot up to 75gr bullets (except some longer VLDs). The Hornady 75gr BTHP shoots very well in a 9-twist .22-250. Since most .22-250 Rem shooters prefer bullets in the 50-73gr range, a good “do-it-all” solution is a 9-twist.
Twist Rates
The .223 Rem shoots a wide range of bullets very effectively, from 35gr flat-based varmint bullets, to ultra-long 90gr VLDs. However, you’ll need the right twist rate for your choice of bullet. For max velocity and accuracy with the lightest bullets, a 1:14″ twist may be ideal. More versatile is a 1:12″ twist that will allow you to shoot the popular 60-64 grain match bullets. (However, a 1:9″ twist is needed for the steel-core 62gr bullet used in the M855 military loads, because that bullet is as long as most 70-grainers.) For normal lead-core jacketed bullets, a 1:9″ twist will let you shoot up to 73gr bullets. Since most .223 Rem shooters prefer bullets in the 50-73gr range, a good “do-it-all” solution is a 9-twist, unless you’re a Highpower competitor.
.22-250 Recommended Twist Rates
The .22-250 shoots a wide range of bullets very effectively, from 35gr flat-based varmint bullets, to ultra-long 90gr VLDs. However, you’ll need the right twist rate for your choice of bullet. For max velocity and accuracy with the lightest bullets, a 1:14″ twist may be ideal. More versatile is a 1:12″ twist that will allow you to shoot the popular 60-64 grain match bullets. For normal lead-core jacketed bullets, a true 1:9″ twist will let you shoot up to 75gr bullets (except some longer VLDs). The Hornady 75gr BTHP shoots very well in a 9-twist .22-250. Since most .22-250 Rem shooters prefer bullets in the 50-73gr range, a good “do-it-all” solution is a 9-twist.
Twist Rates
that is written in regard to killing performance on deer sized game not foxs, the .220 swift does indeed out perform the .223 well past 125 yards, I think you mis interpreted this article, it's about killing performance on deer, not ballistics
I understand the comparison is in relation to killing performance on deer but nevertheless you make a fair point. As I am read it though, the article assumes a similar weight bullet in each case (it doesn't state otherwise). In which case it is interesting to note that while the extra shove of the Swift produces spectacularly greater lethality at close range it counts for nothing beyond 125 yards. I know fast "flat" bullets drop off quickly in terms of lethality and ballistic efficiency but I was surprised that even within those parameters the advantage of the Swift would evaporate so soon.
Academic interest only and doesn't much help us when assessing foxing capability, but interesting none the less.
At 200 yards a 50gr vmax out of a .223 has just under 600ftlbs of energy, the same bullet at the same range out of a .220 swift has just under 1000 ft lbs, I would class that as a fair step up at 300 yards the .223 has 436 ftlbs where as the .220 swift has over 750 ftlbs
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