Available: 3 days Traditional Hunting for Moose with Dogs in Lapland

[branko]

I think your being too polite kick em where it hurts warn everybody, anything they have to say wont make much difference , customer feedback says it all.

Jay B, Alex and Malc wont tolerate Trade Members like this mate...

Either Hunt n Seek come good or as John has already said we will be one member less..

I think its a shame our post drew out so much negativity from previous experiences. Had the feelings been made known earlier I doubt this hunt would have been attended by so many SD members.

Clearly Hunt n Seek seem to give their response to criticism on here the same attention as they do their hunts.

 

[news of the world]

This really is sad episode, which in my opinion could of been averted, if those that had been before had spoke up!
I honestly don't think the thread should be canned as it has exposed a rogue trader and his cohorts, those involved would only re-surface under another username ready to fleece the unsuspecting..

A simple traffic light system under each trade member or a members username, who offer services would prevent this happening!

 

[branko]

Can you recommend someone or an organisation that you have had a good hunting with

 

[branko]

Totally agree something needs to be done.

This really is sad episode, which in my opinion could of been averted, if those that had been before had spoke up!
I honestly don't think the thread should be canned as it has exposed a rogue trader and his cohorts, those involved would only re-surface under another username ready to fleece the unsuspecting..

A simple traffic light system under each trade member or a members username, who offer services would prevent this happening!

 

[Paul at Fechan]

PAUL I THINK YOU HAD BETTER POST A RETRACTION OF YOUR COMMENTS ON HERE PUBLICLY AS THIS COULD ESCALATE BEYOND THIS FORUM OTHERWISE INTO LEGAL ACTION!!
you need to stop fabricating things to justifi what's gone on be a man & admit what actually happened!
Jst remember your no expert I had to go recover your first muntjac you shot in the spine & had to teach you how to grollach a deer, all this after you were level 2 & AW. Wonder how you got those??
oh & the stalking ground in Scotland me & ruben trapped all the way up past Inverness to shoot with you which amounted to a few hundred square yards & when we got back to the cottage your wife & kids had turned up with no room there for them & us! These hunts seem typical you!

IM JUST SORRY FOR ALL OU GUYS WE DIDN'T SPEAK UP EARLIER

Paul, at no time did I mention you personally to keep you out of this but then you come on a have a pop, get a grip. What's in it for me to go back to last year and make up stuff? This year has been pretty well covered and there's no disagreement from me!?

and oh right then my woodland is a few hundred square yards?!
When you were invited up to mine I rented a 5 room house and your and your mate had beds but yeh my family was there because we were taking a break up there. You paid nothing and the weather was crap but your mate did shoot a fox. Get over it, the north east side of loch shin at Strath Tirry has good numbers of Sika with reds and roe but it rained straight for two days.

Before you start giving it large do remind me what ground was it I shot those 3 muntjac on (on spined yes and 2 stone dead)....

At no time did I mention you personally to keep you out of it but then you come on an go large at me. Better consider your position mate about taking a pop at my credibility mate, that's pretty low.

By the way Paul, can you pm or post the information or specific statement that should be retracted. It is possible that what I wrote was given poor context or is genuinely in error and I will address this.

 

[dusk till dawn]

I have no interest in PM you I have nothing to hide itcan be done in open forum,
you should remove all reference to a fine or a refundas those wer never mentioned or offered,
you better remove all reference to the reason for thehunt ending was because a cow was shot & in milk as she wasn't in milk she was shot as instructed as she had o calfs with her & that wasn't the reason the hunt ended.
You have done nothing but mud sling & try to cloud te truth which is that you & Christian conned people this year & last year wasn't much different in many ways, you a liar Paul & everyone can see that now MAN UP & TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, you should have told the people yo went with the truth about last year not your BS version & stop trying To BS your way out if this cluster**** youwere part of!

Admin please accept my apologies if you find this post direct but I will not be blamed for a trip going bad when I only did as instructed by the organiser & another trade member is living to everyone for his own reasons

Paul, at no time did I mention you personally to keep you out of this but then you come on a have a pop, get a grip. What's in it for me to go back to last year and make up stuff? This year has been pretty well covered and there's no disagreement from me!? and oh right then my woodland is a few hundred square yards?! When you were invited up to mine I rented a 5 room house and your and your mate had beds but yeh my family was there because we were taking a break up there. You paid nothing and the weather was crap but your mate did shoot a fox. Get over it, the north east side of loch shin at Strath Tirry has good numbers of Sika with reds and roe but it rained straight for two days. Before you start giving it large do remind me what ground was it I shot those 3 muntjac on (on spined yes and 2 stone dead).... At no time did I mention you personally to keep you out of it but then you come on an go large at me. Better consider your position mate about taking a pop at my credibility mate, that's pretty low. By the way Paul, can you pm or post the information or specific statement that should be retracted. It is possible that what I wrote was given poor context or is genuinely in error and I will address this.

 

[Paul at Fechan]

I can confirm. I will retract the statement 'a cow in milk was shot'. I don't know this was a fact.

Everything else is right, you took a pot shot at an unidentified moose and shot it in the pelvis and the cow had followers. We were specifically told not to shoot cow moose. The moose travelled 4 km wounded onto another clubs grounds and had to be dispatched and extracted in shame from there. Which was worse, shooting at an unidentified target or a specifically forbidden animal?

The Fins were gutted about this as I believe the cow cost them 2 tags as well as the terrible embarrassment of the incident within the region and the club had to have a meeting that night. If Christian wishes to comment on this that's fine but suffice to say they wanted us gone and off the ground. After this there's no way they club would allow us to shoot for more moose. The second hunt with guests due to arrive for hunting at the club a few weeks later was cancelled and the club closed it's doors.

All because of one reckless shot made by you. That spoiled my trip, not the organisers. The beds weren't great, I got left on a peg and ok the bus broke down for a bit but I got exactly what I expected for £750 with a chance to see and shoot moose and a few iffy bits around the edges that needed fixed.

 

[CWMMAN3738]

Dispite what I said I feel I must come back in on this thread in support of Dusk Till Dawn as Paul at barony is not only now admitting he lied previously but blaming dusk til dawn for spoiling his trip which was not the case he made the trip along with a few others and did almost all the animal work & only shot as instructed to by Christian & I can confirm that this cow wasn't in milk and had no followers but was with a bull moose which a local shot at the same time as Paul about 100yds from him! It was not shot in the pelvis I know I helped butcher it and everyone can see how mad & desperate your comments are as people know that the likelihood of a moose that had been shot in the pelvis running 4km is near 0 you are also showing your true collies now Paul admitting you paid less than the rest of us for that trip, as I previously said you are not telling the truth Paul and as a trade member that's disgraceful it's about time you admitted the whole truth you deserve to be removed from this site for your recent conduct taking people abroad under false pretences & I hope they take legal action against both you and Christian you should have been upfront with SD members and told them the truth but you didn't for your own reasons & that to me shows the type of person you are!
I would warn ANYONE TO STEER CLEAR OF YOU & CHRISTIAN as IMO you are both dishonest & untruthful!

 

[stav]

hi all this is my my 2 pence worth and I speak for myself and not jonny or rickie.
right after flying from Manchester and landing in Lapland all was well, Thomas met us at the airport and asked us too drive a car which I did as I,ve drove a lot over sea's and dint mind at all. when we arrived at the lodge guess we were lucky as we got just four in our lodge (1 was a soft shandy drinking southerner)
I did think there was between 10/12 people on the trip turned out 17/18, the hunting was not what I expected and too be honest not my thing so on the 2nd day I walked with Thomas and out of the blue a moose appeared in front of us about 10 yards away and was looking straight at us. I could see no antlers and was told to hold fire as a calf might appear behind after what seemed like hours but was seconds Thomas spotted some small antler and told me too take a shot but as soon as I went for my rifle it was of and I took a random pot shot and MISSED. I,d have never seen the antlers as its ears were covering them and I was taken back by how it just appeared.
I think they got the food wrong and I spoke too Christian about this in a civil manner, if you wasn't first up best dressed then breakfast was all gone and so was tea which we had at the lodges and was the best meal we had(moose and bear stew cock on)
as much as I love beer after standing for 3 hours in minus temp a coffee or tea would have been the way forward not lager.
now as for the dogs I couldnt say what they did do or dint do but in all fairness Thomas and the other guy with the dogs work realy hard and I know rickie will agree too that, I,m not saying the dogs did as I dint see them much but the guy's did and it was the dog that fetch the moose our way as it was about 10 secs behind it.
now too sum up
1. the crack was good under such strained goings on and if lads had turned on each other then it would have been very unpleasant.
2. they got the food wrong and hopefully will learn from it, maybe get a cook in for breakfast and evening meal with equal portions.
3.i was also told moose and bear and not told there was only 4 tags I took it, it was a free for all on moose, was not expecting too shoot hundreds but did expect too see atleast 4/6 a day. see not shoot so was let down by that and yes a helicopter 100ft behind me for an hour dint help ffs lol.
4.i booked this on the fact john robbo put "you'd not go wrong with Christian" as I,ve shot with john a couple of days and trust his judgement, by know means his fault but was the only recommendation good or bad I read.
I felt they had just got it wrong but if it was the same last year surerly they should have learnt??? I thought Christian and Thomas were/are good people and hope I read nothing but good reports from the next trip they do with sd members or anyone for that fact.

I,ve sat a reflexed for afew days without posting hot headed,
even I couldn't blame them for rifles not turning up in Lapland the no ammo back at Manchester never mind letting soft southeners and even some from north of the boarder on the trip.

for me it's a lesson learnt I hope hunt and seek get it right next time and redeem themselves and theres no point in sd members falling out over this trip or last years.

p.s. jonny will not believe I,ve wrote this but was done with a cool head for once lol
sika,moose miser stav
p.s. great friendships were made so there was something good come out of it guy's

 

[dusk till dawn]

If anyone has any doubt as to Paul at barony's ethics please view the vail threat made below in a PM in an attempt to stop me posting the truth:-
Re: poaching FC ground was it?

Originally Posted by paul at barony
I'll give you a fair chance over this Paul because your alright but take a pop at my credibility like that again and I'll take you up on what you said in Finland about poaching those muntjac that you put me on as a guest on FC grounds. Some things said in Finland were not forgotten.

It's no sweat to confirm that location we drove to twice and offer up a statement and grid references. I have no concerns about making it public or official or both, that's certainly something to avoid mate.

Lets hope we can keep things fair.





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I have nothing to fear the ground was my bosses ground not FC & I had another SD member with me if I need corroboration.
i feel anmin should now take action over a trade member threatening another SD member to stop the truth being exposed!

 

[CWMMAN3738]

Well said Paul that is clearly a threat or blackmail attempt however you read it & clearly not what we should tolerate on this site it's disgusting I think admin should tale action now to stop this kind of thing & those responsible they are nothing short of bullies and that should not be tolerated by admin as it reflects badly on the site & I feel is not what we are about on here IMHO this site is for like minded people to converse & help eCh other not intimidate & threaten.

If anyone has any doubt as to Paul at barony's ethics please view the vail threat made below in a PM in an attempt to stop me posting the truth:-
Re: poaching FC ground was it?

Originally Posted by paul at barony
I'll give you a fair chance over this Paul because your alright but take a pop at my credibility like that again and I'll take you up on what you said in Finland about poaching those muntjac that you put me on as a guest on FC grounds. Some things said in Finland were not forgotten.

It's no sweat to confirm that location we drove to twice and offer up a statement and grid references. I have no concerns about making it public or official or both, that's certainly something to avoid mate.

Lets hope we can keep things fair.





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I have nothing to fear the ground was my bosses ground not FC & I had another SD member with me if I need corroboration.
i feel anmin should now take action over a trade member threatening another SD member to stop the truth being exposed!

 

[Cut+Squirt]

 

[Taff]

just curious but is it standard form to book 17 hunters for 3 days and only have 4 tags. This sounds like a worse deal most pro stalkers offer in the UK, one deer in three stalks.
glad I spend my money on squirrel hunting in the states

 

[african jack]

is that to go with the bag of crisps and the beer

 

[nuttyspaniel]

is that to go with the bag of crisps and the beer

You forgot the Apple...

 

[branko]

This really is unpleasant, all the more reason to make sure this type of thing doesnt happen can we get our heads together and start coming up with some ideas so events like these are not repeated.
​suggest we start with a new thread on the subject.

Well said Paul that is clearly a threat or blackmail attempt however you read it & clearly not what we should tolerate on this site it's disgusting I think admin should tale action now to stop this kind of thing & those responsible they are nothing short of bullies and that should not be tolerated by admin as it reflects badly on the site & I feel is not what we are about on here IMHO this site is for like minded people to converse & help eCh other not intimidate & threaten.

 

[PointBlank]

Very diplomatic stav! Don't know which soft shandy drinking southerner you were talking about, I thought I was in your cabin

You and richie were lucky getting to go out with the dogmen, from where the rest of us had to stand for three days we got to see nothing and that is all we have to go on. I didn't even hear a barking dog from where I was although I did see one once when it wandered out of the drive and went to see fran.

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

hi all this is my my 2 pence worth and I speak for myself and not jonny or rickie.
right after flying from Manchester and landing in Lapland all was well, Thomas met us at the airport and asked us too drive a car which I did as I,ve drove a lot over sea's and dint mind at all. when we arrived at the lodge guess we were lucky as we got just four in our lodge (1 was a soft shandy drinking southerner)
I did think there was between 10/12 people on the trip turned out 17/18, the hunting was not what I expected and too be honest not my thing so on the 2nd day I walked with Thomas and out of the blue a moose appeared in front of us about 10 yards away and was looking straight at us. I could see no antlers and was told to hold fire as a calf might appear behind after what seemed like hours but was seconds Thomas spotted some small antler and told me too take a shot but as soon as I went for my rifle it was of and I took a random pot shot and MISSED. I,d have never seen the antlers as its ears were covering them and I was taken back by how it just appeared.
I think they got the food wrong and I spoke too Christian about this in a civil manner, if you wasn't first up best dressed then breakfast was all gone and so was tea which we had at the lodges and was the best meal we had(moose and bear stew cock on)
as much as I love beer after standing for 3 hours in minus temp a coffee or tea would have been the way forward not lager.
now as for the dogs I couldnt say what they did do or dint do but in all fairness Thomas and the other guy with the dogs work realy hard and I know rickie will agree too that, I,m not saying the dogs did as I dint see them much but the guy's did and it was the dog that fetch the moose our way as it was about 10 secs behind it.
now too sum up
1. the crack was good under such strained goings on and if lads had turned on each other then it would have been very unpleasant.
2. they got the food wrong and hopefully will learn from it, maybe get a cook in for breakfast and evening meal with equal portions.
3.i was also told moose and bear and not told there was only 4 tags I took it, it was a free for all on moose, was not expecting too shoot hundreds but did expect too see atleast 4/6 a day. see not shoot so was let down by that and yes a helicopter 100ft behind me for an hour dint help ffs lol.
4.i booked this on the fact john robbo put "you'd not go wrong with Christian" as I,ve shot with john a couple of days and trust his judgement, by know means his fault but was the only recommendation good or bad I read.
I felt they had just got it wrong but if it was the same last year surerly they should have learnt??? I thought Christian and Thomas were/are good people and hope I read nothing but good reports from the next trip they do with sd members or anyone for that fact.

I,ve sat a reflexed for afew days without posting hot headed,
even I couldn't blame them for rifles not turning up in Lapland the no ammo back at Manchester never mind letting soft southeners and even some from north of the boarder on the trip.

for me it's a lesson learnt I hope hunt and seek get it right next time and redeem themselves and theres no point in sd members falling out over this trip or last years.

p.s. jonny will not believe I,ve wrote this but was done with a cool head for once lol
sika,moose miser stav
p.s. great friendships were made so there was something good come out of it guy's

Chuffin hell Sika Stav....

Who did you dictate that to ? Jonny said youd missed a few years schooling lol..

Fair write up mate missing a few points on useless peg positions etc but not bad for a fekin Northener

This thread needs to remain open guys till honesty outs and some serious culling by admin takes place...

Obviously Christian remains too busy to give this the attention it needs to get it wrapped up..

One more day Christian and Paul and if its not sorted its all over the other hunting forums....

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

Very diplomatic stav! Don't know which soft shandy drinking southerner you were talking about, I thought I was in your cabin

You and richie were lucky getting to go out with the dogmen, from where the rest of us had to stand for three days we got to see nothing and that is all we have to go on. I didn't even hear a barking dog from where I was although I did see one once when it wandered out of the drive and went to see fran.

Spot on Kev, an entirely diferent experience running with the dogs..

 

[stalkinginengland]

I dont know about this trip as I was not presant and the only thing I would say is that Paul from Barony is a top bloke who I have dealt with so I would think if he says he is on the case , believe him.

By all accounts it does sound like a nightmare and it is the finer points that make the differance. That is why david and I visited 15 shoots in France before picking 3 we wanted to use and stayed at and visited countless hotels and Restaurants in order to offer the best we could. Now I dont want this to sound like an advert, but to say it pi55es me off to have to advertise over and over again in order to get enough clients to run first class affordable trips and I am up against this sort of outfit, not only taking possible cutomers and their hard ernt cash for a ride, competing with us for the same finite number of hunters, but also putting potential clients off going with other outfitters, is an under statement.

Rant over but if you are thinking of Boar, Deer, Mouflon or Chamois just give us a consideration, because times are hard enough without this sort of nonsence just adding to it.

Regards

Mark