Are you aware that some of the guys may have a bank account which charges a fee to receive a payment in foreign currency (euros)? It is worth bearing in mind as if they do it will only add further insult to injury.
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Are you aware that some of the guys may have a bank account which charges a fee to receive a payment in foreign currency (euros)? It is worth bearing in mind as if they do it will only add further insult to injury.
JAYB
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Gentlemen, I have followed this thread closely, for what seems like a lifetime, and have a few observations to make about the content, the way it has been conducted and the behaviour of a few involved, and not necessarily in that order.
Firstly I think congratulations are in order because on the whole the thread has been conducted in a very civilised manner! You notice I say on the whole, this is because there have been one or two slips which for the most art were rectified by way of an apology or explanation, so well done there were definitely less ropes than usual in the lynch mob.
There were a few instances of trying to put words in admins mouth and coerce us into taking certain actions, well let me assure you that will not happen. Plus these types of statement are reckless, an example being a reference to rogue traders and a list being compiled as we already have two to start it off. This led to a trade member being named and the instigator of this idea coming back and saying that they did not mean the person mentioned, too late the damage is done! If you intend to put that sort of thread on the site then please be sure that you are very clear in what you are saying, state your meaning clearly and in an unambiguous manner and do be prepared for any comeback as a result of the post.
Now in relation to the trip itself, I think this can be broken down into two separate sections. Firstly I think there was a culture difference here, with two separate understandings of a traditional hunt by Finnish standards and UK standards. There is also the difference in expectations of the catering and sleeping arrangements. So I think that although the sausage on a stick over an open fire at lunchtime is traditional nobody would have really minded if a hot drink had also been available. Then there is the question of accommodation this appears to have been better in some cases than others, and breakfast and evening meals seem also to have been a bit hit and miss. Having said that these things happen when there is a cultural crossover and nine times out of ten add something to the trip. This I think was apparent from the level of camaraderie, the lasting friendships made and the abiding good memories of the trip.
Then there is the question of the hunt itself, this is a bit of a different story. It would appear from the original post advertising it that there was an abundance of moose, and other game, with no restrictions on the numbers taken and that the party would consist of no more than a dozen people. It transpired that there was not an abundance of game, limited tags were available for moose, and that there were some seventeen or eighteen guns present, not quite the initial impression given. I have spoken to several people, including Scandinavians, and it would appear that a normal moose hunt is in fact more like you experienced as opposed to that which was advertised. So it would appear that from the enquiries I have made etc. that the hunt was misrepresented, and until I am convinced otherwise that shall be my opinion.
Of course my opinion means little or nothing, especially as I have never hunted moose or even seen one! However my opinion about our site does carry a little weight and my opinion is that this thread has been both destructive and informative and in some small measure cleansing. No matter how well it has been conducted, there has been and there will always be casualties and in truth it is the sort of thread that does nothing to enhance the reputation of the site.
Therefore Hunt n Seek will no longer be allowed as Trade members on the site, their current contract expires in a couple of days and will not be renewed. It is also worth noting that any trade member who falls short on delivering what they advertise will also be banned from advertising on the site.
I am pleased to hear that some form of refund has been offered and accepted, and hope that people reading this thread will have learnt from it.
John
Firstly I think congratulations are in order because on the whole the thread has been conducted in a very civilised manner! You notice I say on the whole, this is because there have been one or two slips which for the most art were rectified by way of an apology or explanation, so well done there were definitely less ropes than usual in the lynch mob.
There were a few instances of trying to put words in admins mouth and coerce us into taking certain actions, well let me assure you that will not happen. Plus these types of statement are reckless, an example being a reference to rogue traders and a list being compiled as we already have two to start it off. This led to a trade member being named and the instigator of this idea coming back and saying that they did not mean the person mentioned, too late the damage is done! If you intend to put that sort of thread on the site then please be sure that you are very clear in what you are saying, state your meaning clearly and in an unambiguous manner and do be prepared for any comeback as a result of the post.
Now in relation to the trip itself, I think this can be broken down into two separate sections. Firstly I think there was a culture difference here, with two separate understandings of a traditional hunt by Finnish standards and UK standards. There is also the difference in expectations of the catering and sleeping arrangements. So I think that although the sausage on a stick over an open fire at lunchtime is traditional nobody would have really minded if a hot drink had also been available. Then there is the question of accommodation this appears to have been better in some cases than others, and breakfast and evening meals seem also to have been a bit hit and miss. Having said that these things happen when there is a cultural crossover and nine times out of ten add something to the trip. This I think was apparent from the level of camaraderie, the lasting friendships made and the abiding good memories of the trip.
Then there is the question of the hunt itself, this is a bit of a different story. It would appear from the original post advertising it that there was an abundance of moose, and other game, with no restrictions on the numbers taken and that the party would consist of no more than a dozen people. It transpired that there was not an abundance of game, limited tags were available for moose, and that there were some seventeen or eighteen guns present, not quite the initial impression given. I have spoken to several people, including Scandinavians, and it would appear that a normal moose hunt is in fact more like you experienced as opposed to that which was advertised. So it would appear that from the enquiries I have made etc. that the hunt was misrepresented, and until I am convinced otherwise that shall be my opinion.
Of course my opinion means little or nothing, especially as I have never hunted moose or even seen one! However my opinion about our site does carry a little weight and my opinion is that this thread has been both destructive and informative and in some small measure cleansing. No matter how well it has been conducted, there has been and there will always be casualties and in truth it is the sort of thread that does nothing to enhance the reputation of the site.
Therefore Hunt n Seek will no longer be allowed as Trade members on the site, their current contract expires in a couple of days and will not be renewed. It is also worth noting that any trade member who falls short on delivering what they advertise will also be banned from advertising on the site.
I am pleased to hear that some form of refund has been offered and accepted, and hope that people reading this thread will have learnt from it.
John
Paul at Fechan
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If needs be I will transfer the money to the guys from the UK in Sterling because I owe money on a hunt I'd already booked but have still to pay for, this was mentioned when I last talked to them last about the next trip I'm on to make sure spare bog roll was on stand by 
. This will probably be a much better way to do it anyway.
. This will probably be a much better way to do it anyway.
pheasant sniper 1
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greenhillstairs
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..(Ha!! Oh Dear, hope i'm proved wrong John by Christian, but this post may have just signalled the Death knell for our deposit! - I guess as much as anything, aside from trying to restore some reputation, Hunt & Seek were trying to avoid the axe !! Personally speaking, for what its worth. The eventual offer of a refund as gone some way to appease myself. I'm not completely satisfied, but the gesture is a step in the right direction, assuming of course the promised re-fund is forthcoming) !
It's not my forum, and thus nothing to do with me, but I do wonder if the situation would be better for all if H&S were given the opportunity to make good their failed hunts and clean their act up and then allowed to continue as trade members on here?
I don't know how it would or even if it could be done, but maybe some positives could come from this nightmare situation?
I don't know how it would or even if it could be done, but maybe some positives could come from this nightmare situation?
Paul at Fechan
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I still have hunts booked with them as hosts as do other members on here heading out this month. I will review my experience, success of failure fairly. I'm not looking to save them or promote them if the hunts go well but I would hope that if successful at least members could see that they have raised there game and sorted themselves out to the benefit of guests. Likewise, if unsuccessful we will all know the score for sure.
branko
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Indeed would be interesting to see if standards improve, if they have then some good will have come from all this, good luck with the hunts
6pointer
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GHS I think john putting the Axe on HnS will have a positive effect they will need to deal through people like Paul and John From YDS they are accountable we meet them we see them and they will be the voice of the overseas hunts in some cases. So hunt n Seek will not disappear they will need to get it right from now on.
howa243
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Not sure if it was meant to be fun or not but there has been mention of a .243 and I would have thought that was not man enough for the job. I would be rather concerned about an outfitter/agent allowing a calibre like that on such a large animal. A lot of folks do not think that its suitable for reds let alone a Moose. That said I have never shot one so have no direct personal experience.
Hello guys.
I have booked to go on the 3 day Sweden trip with Big game hunting through Paul. This is my first proper post so forgive me if all goes wrong
Since then I have read and followed this thread.
Obviously I am a bit concerned. However I have paid my cash and at this late stage I am sure a refund would not be possible hence, I am going.
Having read the thread from an independent point of view it is very apparent that the hunt did not meet guests expectations. I believe the organisers should have done more to ensure clients understand before booking exactly what they are getting, especially when taking large sums of cash. Bearing in mind the original advert does not give a huge amount of information I also believe that the clients could have done more to establish what they are getting for their money as standards across Europe do differ substantially. I must say the pictures of the cabins look good. If they are misleading can somebody let me know.
It was stated in the original thread for the moose trip there were no trophy fees on bull moose, does this mean there was fees for anything else. I also couldn't find stated anywhere that other game was on offer. I haven't read the full thread as it is huge so I might have missed it. If I was considering this trip I would definitely made some enquiries to establish this and also some indication of tags available. once you have this in writing things become a lot clearer and easier to complain or seek compensation.
Also stated was
'The Moose is real wild animal, no guarantees can be made that you will shoot a moose or see one especially if you can’t stay quiet, they are much smarter then they look!'
and
'It should not be expected that every hunter will see a Moose but on a normal hunt there will be several chances for Moose to be shot.'
I have never been moose hunting and I wasn't on the trip. only the gentlemen on the trip were there and only they can decide if the hunting resembles the advertisement. Comments on the thread are obviously cause for concern and are generally not made lightly. I thank you for bringing any possible problems to light and hope that in some way can have a positive effect on my trip.
I have made enquiries to make certain that I am satisfied with the luncheon arrangements and to make sure there is going to be sufficient toilet paper.
I note that the advert for the Sweden trip states the following
-Fallow and Boar to be shot from enclosed hides over feeding stations
-No Trophy fees even on medals
-No bag limits on deer or boar with roe deer present
-Fox and Badger included
-Transfers and interpreters and included
-Hunting License included
I will provide a full review of the trip upon my return
regards
I have booked to go on the 3 day Sweden trip with Big game hunting through Paul. This is my first proper post so forgive me if all goes wrong
Since then I have read and followed this thread.
Obviously I am a bit concerned. However I have paid my cash and at this late stage I am sure a refund would not be possible hence, I am going.
Having read the thread from an independent point of view it is very apparent that the hunt did not meet guests expectations. I believe the organisers should have done more to ensure clients understand before booking exactly what they are getting, especially when taking large sums of cash. Bearing in mind the original advert does not give a huge amount of information I also believe that the clients could have done more to establish what they are getting for their money as standards across Europe do differ substantially. I must say the pictures of the cabins look good. If they are misleading can somebody let me know.
It was stated in the original thread for the moose trip there were no trophy fees on bull moose, does this mean there was fees for anything else. I also couldn't find stated anywhere that other game was on offer. I haven't read the full thread as it is huge so I might have missed it. If I was considering this trip I would definitely made some enquiries to establish this and also some indication of tags available. once you have this in writing things become a lot clearer and easier to complain or seek compensation.
Also stated was
'The Moose is real wild animal, no guarantees can be made that you will shoot a moose or see one especially if you can’t stay quiet, they are much smarter then they look!'
and
'It should not be expected that every hunter will see a Moose but on a normal hunt there will be several chances for Moose to be shot.'
I have never been moose hunting and I wasn't on the trip. only the gentlemen on the trip were there and only they can decide if the hunting resembles the advertisement. Comments on the thread are obviously cause for concern and are generally not made lightly. I thank you for bringing any possible problems to light and hope that in some way can have a positive effect on my trip.
I have made enquiries to make certain that I am satisfied with the luncheon arrangements and to make sure there is going to be sufficient toilet paper.
I note that the advert for the Sweden trip states the following
-Fallow and Boar to be shot from enclosed hides over feeding stations
-No Trophy fees even on medals
-No bag limits on deer or boar with roe deer present
-Fox and Badger included
-Transfers and interpreters and included
-Hunting License included
I will provide a full review of the trip upon my return
regards
Paul at Fechan
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Hi Paul, surely i am not the only one who is curious to know why, after this complete debacle you have changed your forum name to Paul at Fechan, any particular reason for this you may want to share with us?
Ian.
Ian.
howa243
Well-Known Member
I think it was a rip at someone using a .270
Good. Did think there was every possibility I was being a bit thick.
Paul at Fechan
Well-Known Member
It is because personal attacks on me that try to hit on my credibility also then involved Barony by association of name and that is unfair. Also it allows me to comment without being concerned that my voice is taken on behalf of an organisation. I'm still every bit involved in the DMQ levels as before but for the purposes of contributing to the SD it is better. I'm sure you understand.
www.yorkshireroestalking.
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I have hunted here twice and am going again in January.
It is my favourite hunt anywhere any time and ive done loads.
The lodge is as good as the pictures, there is lots of game, no trophy fees on bucks or kielers.
This hunt differs though as YOU hunt alone from hides and stalk into them so no organisation is needed other then a pick up time and to ensure the stations are baited well before you arrive.
Massive grounds in 3 lumps and fantastic wooden shed hides with seats.
This is Christians personal hunting ground and is not with hunt and seek as far as I know.
Your trip might be different but mine is not and never has been.
regards john
223
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very wise and sensibile john, as everything in life things have to remain fair
BUT THE BEST FOR THE SITE AND ITS MEMBERS MUST ALWAYS COME FIRST.
it take years to build a good reputation but minutes to loose one
pheasant sniper 1
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Please read the thread again...
Food - not enough, and an apple and bag of crisps for lunch in freezing conditions !!
Accomodation - pretty picture does not show two guys sleeping on sofa and four guys crammed in a loft space after scaling a vertical ladder. Imagine 10 peoples belongings also strewn across pretty cabin foto.
Pegs.. what a joke, I felt only at one peg did I have any chance of taking a moose.
Not a single Moose pushed to the line by the dogs.
If you think standards differ that much and we should have asked questions as you state that's just shows you havnt read the posts!!! I wish id asked with 18 people will there be enough food to only feed 10 or will there be any bog roll. Will our pegs actually give us any chance of shooting something. If we do see a big bull how far has it got to run to make a nature reserve in 80,000 acres..... Those sort of questions mate
Good luck
pheasant sniper 1
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Anybody seen a refund yet
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