6.5 for Boar in France and/or Italy?

[liamnjs]

A slightly odd source but seems to be talking about the same thing.

http://www.arrse.co.uk/shooting-hunting-fishing/154424-news-france.html

Means nothing to me but might be useful to those who know what the HBSA is.

 

[Orion]

Means nothing to me but might be useful to those who know what the HBSA is.

Historical Breechloading Smallarms Association

http://www.hbsa-uk.isonlinehere.com/home.php?page_id=7

I used to be a member and attend the regular monthly(?) meetings at the Imperial War Museum when I lived up in the Smoke. Range days were good as there would be all kinds of exotic things that go bang being trotted out.

 

[liamnjs]

Thanks Orion, I've now found the original source from their website. See the section concerning EU Weapons Directive 91/477 about half way down.
http://www.hbsa-uk.isonlinehere.com/home.php?page_id=10
Is this likely to be a reliable source?

 

[Orion]

Is this likely to be a reliable source?

Reliable, yes very. It's quite a learned body - check out the Lecture Calendar webpage for a sample of the detailed presentations that will be made. David Penn is Vice President of the HBSA as well as President of the Arms & Armour Society, and was formerly Keeper of Exhibits & Firearms at the Imperial War Museum at the time when I attended the meetings there, so it was quite normal for rare and interesting firearms to be made available for the members to handle and discuss.

 

[Tamus]

Thanks Orion, I've now found the original source from their website. See the section concerning EU Weapons Directive 91/477 about half way down.
http://www.hbsa-uk.isonlinehere.com/home.php?page_id=10
Is this likely to be a reliable source?

Well done guys.

The link above ties with what the French Consul have informally discussed with me.

It seems the only question now is, how long will due process take, before we can take our .30-06's to France to hunt with?

ps. It's a shame that the 5.56 and 7.62 Nato and the 7.62x39 look like remaining on the restricted list. C'est la vie

In the meantime, my 6.5-284 looks good subject to processing.

 

[enfieldspares]

It's odd that even 7.6x39 isn't really a current Russian calibre either! They went "small" some two decades plus ago too!

I also used to be an HBSA member but change of work meant I could neither get to the Monday meetings at the IWM or make the weekend shoots at Bisley and elsewhere.

 

[Silverfox]

Silverfox am I correct that when you attend a driven shoot there is a legal requirement for the organisers to see your permis du chasse before you allowed to take part ? You are quite correct my friends were only passing through France and wouldn't be hunting, but I think if they had written confirmation of a competition they would be permitted to use their 7.62mm rifles in France if my understanding of what I have read is correct.
I,m currently trying to work my way through the system in order to obtain a permis du chasse temporaire for the end of the month as I've finally arranged a couple of days sanglier battue in Normandy.

Bashing Bambi that's interesting, do you think the status of .308win will stay the same as it is now then.

I hunt in the Haute Vienne in this department we are governed by the ACCA an association who regulates what you do. In my commune, which is roughly 3000 hectares, we have 85 registered hunters who either hunt small game, big game or both, to hunt everything costs currently €154 per year. This is purchased from the depertmental ACCA. You then chose the commune within the department you want to chasse in, you purchase a commune card from the local chasse president, here I pay €52 for the season. To chasse the battue either for Stag Deer, Roe deer or Sanglier you need to show all your paperwork including insurance (€20 ish, depending if you have dogs) at the start of the day.

If however you chasse with a recognised keep or team they only take your details once a year, we have 4 teams in our commune and we rotate the weekends for roe deer, but if you find fresh tracks of boar you can hunt these as well. You must keep your paperwork with you at al times in case of 'les gardes national'

Just been reading about étrangers or oversees hunters, you have to put a demand into the Préfet of the department you want to hunt in, this is viable for 9 consecutive days and you are allowed 4 applications a year. Not sure about what happens in the local communes in Normandy.

Check out this web site its the national federation, all the info you need is there, good luck.
Fédération Nationale des Chasseurs

 

[Tamus]

Thanks for that Silverfox, very helpful, à tous nos amis en France, bonne chasse

 

[Hales Smut]

Somebody, like Silverfox, living in France will be best situated to know what goes on. The 6.5-284 will legaly be no problem at all. Will this be a good "battue" round ??? Get a cheap secondhand 7mm RM or 300 win mag with adapted optics and you will have a driven boar rifle second to none and useable all over Europe.

 

[8x57]

Silverfox do the rules vary slightly between regions and departments? The reason I ask is because I have been enquiring with regard to Department 27. I have been told that you can obtain a permis du chasse temporaire covering three consecutive days and the number of these that you can have in a year mustn't exceed a total of 9 days. I've also been informed that they don't do insurance this is something that you have to arrange yourself yet I see other departments offer insurance for 18 euros.

 

[buckup]

Hi 8x57,
not sure about France, but my Italian hunting is done with cover from my BASC insurance. If you are a member of this organisation they will give you a translated version of the insurance cover for the country you wish to hunt in. They get a lot of flack, but on this matter they are most helpful.

Good luck,
Mark

Silverfox do the rules vary slightly between regions and departments? The reason I ask is because I have been enquiring with regard to Department 27. I have been told that you can obtain a permis du chasse temporaire covering three consecutive days and the number of these that you can have in a year mustn't exceed a total of 9 days. I've also been informed that they don't do insurance this is something that you have to arrange yourself yet I see other departments offer insurance for 18 euros.

 

[8x57]

Hi Mark, I'm insured through the NGO and they have arraged to extend my insurance cover for my trip to France it's just a matter of getting a translation to apply for the permit. It was just that in my trawl of the net over the last couple of weeks to sort out the permit I noticed that some departments actually offered temporary insurance for either 18 or 20 euros but the department that I am going to don't seem to offer this facility. It appears to me that each department seems to operate under slightly differeing schemes.
The French licensing system has certainly caused some debate over the last couple of weeks. Have you had a definate answer from the French embassy yet as regards transporting your .30-06 across France, personally as you are simply passing through I wouldn't think you will have any problems.

 

[buckup]

I get different answers on different days and from different people. As a result I'll do a one off flight to Italy just for ease. Last thing I want is a problem once on French soil. Kind of makes our own moans about licensing quite mild.

All the best mate, I'll skin my cat another way.

Mark

Hi Mark, I'm insured through the NGO and they have arraged to extend my insurance cover for my trip to France it's just a matter of getting a translation to apply for the permit. It was just that in my trawl of the net over the last couple of weeks to sort out the permit I noticed that some departments actually offered temporary insurance for either 18 or 20 euros but the department that I am going to don't seem to offer this facility. It appears to me that each department seems to operate under slightly differeing schemes.
The French licensing system has certainly caused some debate over the last couple of weeks. Have you had a definate answer from the French embassy yet as regards transporting your .30-06 across France, personally as you are simply passing through I wouldn't think you will have any problems.

 

[liamnjs]

Has anyone found out anything about the progress of these possible changes? I am preparing to put in for a variation and the only thing putting me off a 30/06 is the legal restrictions in France.

 

[Tamus]

Has anyone found out anything about the progress of these possible changes? I am preparing to put in for a variation and the only thing putting me off a 30/06 is the legal restrictions in France.

My French friends on the forum at sanglier.net all tell me that .30-06 is still effectively regarded as non permissable.

If France is your destination and Boar your quarry, using a bolt action repeater, I'd choose between 7x64, .300win mag, 8x57 or 9.3x62 ... These will all do the job and are sufficiently popular in France that ammo supplies should not be too difficult to come by.

.270win will, of course, suffice too.

 

[8x57]

Hi Tamus, you included 8x57 in your list. I presume you meant 8x57rimmed and not 8x57 rimless which is also called 7.9x57 or 8mm mauser and is a military round.

 

[Tamus]

Hi Tamus, you included 8x57 in your list. I presume you meant 8x57rimmed and not 8x57 rimless which is also called 7.9x57 or 8mm mauser and is a military round.

No, I simply made a mistake. I meant 8x57 rimless when I wrote it and of course that's just wrong. Ooops! Apologies for the brain fade. My pathetic excuse is... I had just been reading about 8x60 mauser ... A relatively uncommon cartridge developed in Germany for hunters banned from using their 8x57s after the Treaty of Versailles. However, the 8x68 S is still a sound choice for piggies, En la belle France, even if it is a little .... forceful on the shoulder. (he quickly types in a vain attempt to cover his embarrassment)

Thanks! for correcting my error.

 

[8x57]

Easily done, I do it all the time! Every day I quote a particular British Standard and half the time I type in the wrong number or transpose the figures and have to correct it.
Isn't 8x60 mauser one of the ways of getting around the treaty of Versailles, where they simply extended the chamber?

 

[Tamus]

Easily done, I do it all the time! Every day I quote a particular British Standard and half the time I type in the wrong number or transpose the figures and have to correct it.
Isn't 8x60 mauser one of the ways of getting around the treaty of Versailles, where they simply extended the chamber?

More or less. They developed a variation on the case with body length increased by 2mm and the neck length increased by a further 1mm. Then your local gunsmith could ream your old 8x57 to accomodate the new 8x60 and hey presto your old thunderstick was legit for hunting. I gather RWS and Prvi still make ammo to suit too.

 

[MrYou]

If i remeber you can only hunt boar on certain days,in ITALY (northern) It maybe weds & sat or something similar, i have no idea why & i havent done the hunt for a while it may have changed. Firearms to posess have to be rifled guns, firing a bullet with a diameter of 5.6mm or more & a case 40mm+, overall bullet length 60 cm + and a barrel length 30 cm +.
Hope this helps