6.5PRC - first run at reloading. Request experienced reloader input

Excellent test day today. My 6.5x55mm loads continue to underwhelm, but my 6.5PRC load is champion! With one caveat: N160 is burning very sooty IMG_5706.webp whether I use CCI200 or magnum primers.



BUT , look at the group! My loads are shooting tighter than the Hornady factory Hunter load by some margin:

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Today's 3 shots corroborate the same high precision the experienced on previous test outing [2 shots on that day: see below] using same load. So five in total over two sessions. Does that pass muster?


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The next shot will likely sever vertebrae on a roe doe destined for my freezer. No more paper-punching required. :)
 
Please forgive my poking fun, I am following thread with an ulterior motive, Ronin is structuring a 6.5 PRC from a clutch of donor & new parts for moi’ :thumb: Steve.
 
Please forgive my poking fun, I am following thread with an ulterior motive, Ronin is structuring a 6.5 PRC from a clutch of donor & new parts for moi’ :thumb: Steve.

Aha. You will not be disappointed.

A 6.5PRC is that sweet marriage of relatively low recoil and sufficient MV to make copper projectiles expand fully at greater distance than other chamberings of same caliber are capable of achieving. And it is a 1/4 MOA tack-driver into the bargain. No down side beyond it requiring a bit more powder to keep fed.
 
14 once fired Hornady brass to prep this morning, 1Kilo can RS76, 120 Grain TTSX, will save the ADG brass for a little while.
I have previously slated Hornady's brass for being inconsistent, and coming up short, My surprise having these 14 once fired measure exactly 2.030 😲
 
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14 once fired Hornady brass to prep this morning, 1Kilo can RS76, 120 Grain TTSX, will save the ADG brass for a little while.
I have previously slated Hornady's brass for being inconsistent, and coming up short, My surprise having these 14 once fired measure exactly 2.030 😲
I am starting on this path for a friend of mine. I have to agree with you re the Hornady brass.
My go-to brass is Lapua, so I wasn't expecting as much from his once fired Hornady cases, but I was pleasantly surprised with the consistency
in both weight and length of the Hornady cases, matching that of Lapua. Whether he gets as many firings per case remains to be seen.
 
What makes you say the V3 reading is high ?

That statement was a concession to borbal who cannot countenance the MVs Magnetospeed V3 declares given the known cartridge parameters I was using.

And without drop data verification, maybe borbal was right. Certainly, the Magnetospeed was claiming circa 3060fps for the Hornady Hunter 143gr, and the maker only claimed 2960fps on the side of the box.

What has happened since that post is that I have shot the 6.5PRC at 600yds and absolutely proven Magnetospeed's accuracy in measuring MV:

I zero'd the 6.5PRC at 100m using Hornady Hunter ammo and it then took 40 clicks of elevation on a 1/4MOA per click scope to hit center at 600 yards.

Ballistic calcs show that the Hornady claimed MV of 2960fps would have required 45 clicks [11.2MOA], so the higher MV declared by the Magnetospeed looks to be more accurate.

 
Seems to me you’re primarily trying to do load development by talking about it through a computer screen.

The powder burn rate variance from lot to lot throws much of the modelling out the window, other unknown variables are the specifics of your barrel, which will also vary over time.

It should be a simple process. Load a ladder with the max load at max book value - and they will vary according to bullet or powder manufacturer - and work up until you find early pressure signs. Then back off a little bit and find the closest accuracy node that meets your needs. If you don’t find pressure by max book value, go past it in small increments. Often an extremely accurate node is at, or just past, max book value.

Your current 120gr loads are slow and a bit pointless in the PRC case. You can get that from a Creedmoor or .260 Rem.

If you do it properly, when you stick on a load you need to have already established if you can acquire enough powder from the same lot to keep you in business for the life of the barrel. Otherwise you’re going to be doing this all over again with nominally the “same” powder down the track, except it won’t be exactly the same at all… The variance can be more than enough to materially change repeatable accuracy, it will affect harmonics to a degree, the extent of which is unknown until you try. The same logic applies to bullets - there can be significant differences in bullet shapes and dimensions from lot to lot. I can’t believe the ogive shape change on Hornady ELD-M from lot to lot, which you pick up with the comparator vs end to end COAL.

The 6.5 PRC is proving to be an easy cartridge to load for with a good 10-12% upside on the .470” bolt face 6.5s.

I would be testing the slower Alliant powders if I were you.

Is this a hunting rifle or a paper target rifle?
 
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Seems to me you’re primarily trying to do load development by talking about it through a computer screen.

Baffling. Just baffling. In this thread you can see chronograph outputs, punched paper and results shared between those who have used different powders, different charges, different projectiles. Collaboration allows all to avoid expense of buying multiple expensive tubs of powder, perhaps shorten load ladders based on software simulation or others' data. I really do not understand that jibe. The whole gammut of development is in view.

Your current 120gr loads are slow and a bit pointless in the PRC case. You can get that from a Creedmoor or .260 Rem.

In your opinion. But for my twin applications of accuracy on the range and full expansion of monometal projectiles at 450m+, it is perfect. And at the relatively low charge weight for cartridge, my 6.5PRC is a doddle to shoot accurately.

Oh...and why compare to CM or 260? I do not have either of those. I do have a 6.5PRC and that cartridge gives me what I need now and also allows for more variety in loads should my applications change. Case in point might be to consider a heavier projectile for larger quarry.

Is this a hunting rifle or a paper target rifle?

Yes


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But for my twin applications of accuracy on the range and full expansion of monometal projectiles at 450m+, it is perfect.
Well you did ask for opinions - you might get some you don’t like!
  • You’re over-complicating it with all the burn rate comparisons etc etc. You rarely get what’s listed in the modelling apps anyway. Just do a simple linear process, it’s an easy cartridge to load for and acceptable results with available data are not hard to come by.
  • Rather than use a powder that isn’t listed in tested load data, use one that is.
  • The difference between individual barrels makes comparisons to other shooters’ outcomes fun to talk about, but not particularly useful.
  • Aim for as close to a 100% case fill as possible within sensible pressure limits.
  • With the PRC case, the slower powders are proving to be the best performers. I went straight to the Hornady data and nailed it in one session with RL26. So did everyone else in our community (the cartridge is already common in new rifle sales here).
Now for the one I’m not happy about, assuming I understand your comment correctly. If I have misunderstood you about wanting to shoot game at 450m+ with this Barnes bullet then I apologise for what I am about to say, and you can explain what you actually meant.

If you intend to use the Barnes bullet for a 450m+ deer hunting bullet, it is very far from perfect. The lighter Barnes bullets are proven to be highly unreliable at slow impact velocity such as what you’d be getting at 450m+. (That’s <2100fps and dropping 100fps every 50m.) If you are planning to shoot game at 450m+ with the 120gr, then it’s a bad choice, period. We have heaps of direct hands-on evidence of lung shots with Barnes 120gr in 6.5mm and 129gr in .277” that have resulted in very long runners, slow deaths, hard retrieves, and lost deer. And that’s from cartridges producing comfortably faster muzzle velocity than your test results to date. Anything behind the rear line of the foreleg and the difference in outcome and visible wound cavity between the light Barnes and a heavy for calibre, weight shedding lead bullet is immediately obvious.

This is the pointy end of the whole monometal bullet problem that you fellas have imposed upon yourselves, and despite this being discussed very openly by experienced people on here and elsewhere, I guess some guys will go find this out the hard way for themselves. There’s only so many times you can say, well our hard won experience says the outcome will be ABC, and then have posters that don’t have the experience, or do what we do, argue that it will be XYZ, in theory.

The Hornady 6.5 PRC was designed to use bullets in the 140gr+ range with a staunch load producing MV of ~3,000fps. That equates to a 300fps+ increase in terminal velocity at 450m, more like 350-400fps with the hot but safe load I have here. Terminal energy is in a different league with the 143gr and 147gr Hornady bullets.

450m+ is the domain of high BC, soft bullets. The Barnes 120gr is neither of those prerequisites. If you must use the Barnes bullet for hunting then you should be significantly reducing your expectations of bankable effective range.
 
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