Advice from a grumpy old man

Shootinshyster

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I'm old and grumpy and I have no patience for dealing with young whippersnappers. But I have lots of experience and you should listen to me. Unless you are young enough to know everything.

So if you are just starting out and you want to hunt here's what you need to do:

1. Get a quality used .30-06 and
2. Get a simple handloading set up.

The reason why you should get a used .30-06 is because there are many thousands of unloved used rifles in this calibre. The .30-06 is unloved by stupid people who don't understand history or ballistics. But the ignorance of the vast unwashed herd can benefit you. Take advantage of the situation.

I own over 70 rifles in 30-06 calibre alone. I'm telling you this because I've handloaded for more .30-06 rifles than most people will ever see. And you need to start handloading because you need to know about only two loads. With the 150 grain bullet use 48 grains of IMR-4895. This will duplicate the ballistics of the .308. This load is easy to shoot and it is what you should shoot as you learn. You will learn the "feel" of your rifle and you will learn to shoot. I will get back to this load shortly, but on the subject of feel, your rifle must feel right.

So go into your local gunshop and ask to see the used .30-06 guns. Pick them up and see how they feel. A proper rifle feels warm, smooth and alluring to the touch. Do you remember how it felt to hold your wife back when she still loved you? Well now you get the idea. When you find a fine rifle you will feel happy and young at heart. And you will feel bright and joyful.

What works for me may not work for you. But look at Voere, Parker Hale and the older Tikkas. The Tikka M-65/LSA-65 series are some of the finest rifles ever made. I love those rifles and my M-65 battue feels so good that it is on my bed next to me as I type this. You should not tell anyone this, but the M-65/LSA-65 is far superior to the Tikka T3. ( I was given a T3 in a trade and I hated it so much that I gave it away to someone who needed a rifle)

Once you have your rifle you will need a scope. Now pay attention to me. A scope is not a piece of optics. A scope is first and foremost a gun sight and it MUST do two things. The scope must be faithful. It cannot betray you by shifting zero. The point of impact must never waiver. Secondly your scope's adjustment must be true. If you adjust the elevation by one minute, it must shift your point of impact by exactly one minute. Nothing more and nothing less.

I have a .30-06 Husqvarna 640 that was made in 1951. This rifle wears an old Leupold scope from 1995. It is a compact 3-9 scope and it is not an impressive optic. It has the old friction adjustments and somehow this scope never shifts zero. I have not adjusted it in 15 years and it is a very serious gunsight.

When you buy a scope you do not want a heavy boat anchor that will ruin the balance of your rifle. If your rifle is unbalanced, it is messed up. You can spend many thousands of dollars getting a fine piece of glass that will only ruin your shooting experience and make you miserable. For a hunting scope I really like the Swarovski Z3 3-10x42. This scope is lightweight and it will balance nicely on your gun. It will also hold zero and adjust properly.

30mm scope tubes are all the rage nowadays and you should keep in mind that as your scope gets bigger it gets heavier. 30 mm scopes are great for long range target shooting, but for hunting they are not necessary.

With a proper scope properly mounted load up some 150 grain bullets with 48 grains of IMR-4895. I will take a break now and return in a few minutes
 
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I use a lot of .308" Speer 150 grain boat tail bullets. They are affordable and accurate. So load up 48 grains of IMR-4895 together with this bullet. From a 22 to 24 inch barrel this load will produce an easy 2800 fps. Now check out the chart below. Screenshot_20260611-185630.webp
 
If you zero your rifle just under 2 inches high at a hundred yards, you will be zeroed at 200 yards. At 250 yards, the bullet will drop 3 inches.

What all this means is that up to 250 yards, you can shoot a deer by simply aiming dead on. The whole point of hunting is to match wits with the animal and stalk into range. A 300 yard shot might be permissible once you learn. But keep in mind that the bullet will drop by 8 inches. But if you are a cruel heartless slob who wants to use a deer as a long range target, just stop reading this. There are lots of window-licking idiots on you tube that will indulge you in your long range Carlos Hathcock fantasy

Now let's look at the energy figures. At 300 yards this load will deliver more kinetic energy than an AK-47 has at the muzzle. Imagine what would happen if you were to shoot a deer from a range of one foot with an AK-47. Well this load will deliver more power than that but at 300 yards.

Moreover, this load is easy and pleasant to shoot. Load up lots of ammo and practise. Go to the range when it is raining. No one else will be there and you will benefit from shooting in bad weather. It is always cold and damp in hunting season, so practise shooting in poor conditions. Practise shooting prone and from the sitting position. If you hunt with a backpack you might try shooting prone using your backpack as a rest.

Find some deer targets and set them up at different ranges. Shoot from different positions and keep notes in a hard copy notebook. When you go to the range you are there to learn. You are there to learn about your rifle and you are there to study trajectory.

After a while the lessons you learn will become engrained in your shooting style. You will through practise gain shooting instincts

Here is a life sized deer target. Practise shooting such a target and you will learn how to properly place your bullet and achieve a quick ethical kill IMG-20260610-WA0055.webp
 
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The other 30-06 load you should know about uses the 165 grain Sierra Game King together with 57 grains of H-4350. This is a known accuracy load for the .30-06. This load will usually deliver sub MOA performance in a good rifle. From a 22 inch barrel this load will develop 2850 fps.

Now take a look at the chart belowScreenshot_20260611-195405.webp
 
Notice that if you zero the gun 2 and a quarter inches high at 100 yards, you will only be 6.3 inches low at 300 yards. This is a very efficient, deadly load that will totally smoke a deer

Notice the energy numbers. At 200 yards, this load delivers the same energy that a 6.5 Creedmoor has at the muzzle. And at the range of a quarter mile this load delivers more energy than a .44 magnum has at the muzzle.

Now let me find some picture of targets.
 
Here are some groups. The load is the 165 grain Sierra Game King and 57 grains of H-4350. IMG_20260611_201406.webpIMG_20260611_201355.webpIMG_20260611_201345.webpThese groups were shot with three different Tikka M-65/LSA-65 rifles

These groups are not unusual. A quality .30-06 rifle will shoot this way and this load will work for you too.

But before using this 165 grain load, become proficient with the 150 grain IMR-4895 load. Once you have acquired good technique you will enjoy shooting this load.

And if you desire even greater accuracy for target shooting, substitute the 168 grain Sierra Match King bullet
 
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I said that there are thousands of unloved .30-06 rifles on the used market. Let me show you a few of them




 
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I own over 70 rifles in 30-06 calibre alone.
That is quite a number!

In the UK I would hazard that 95% of shots out stalking will be within 200m, our deer species range from tiny to mid sized, we have no bears or wolves and not much boar. I would really like a 30-06, and have a spare 30 cal slot, but just cannot see me using it much above the 308 and 270. Perhaps in a few years.
 
I love my 30-06 and i also love the Sierra gameking 165 grain. The rifle is a CZ 550 and it will shoot almost any ammunition, it really isnt a fussy eater.
Tusker
 
Most of that seems pretty standard to the point of being old hat. Maybe that’s the point.

A few things I’d vary for someone starting out in the UK:

1. 30-06 is obviously a great cartridge, but not really necessary in almost all contexts here, and not easy for beginners to develop good skills with. There’s a reason beginners tend to start smaller - .243 traditionally, now things like 6.5CM.
2. I spent years shooting without a moderator, thinking they were ugly, spoilt the balance of the gun, and were somehow ‘cheating’ and maybe a bit lacking in testosterone. I profoundly regret my stupidity. I think anyone starting out should start with a moderated gun. Makes it so much easier to shoot accurately, and you don’t end up with tinnitus.
3. I think a scope with diallable turrets removes a lot of guess work. It’s all very well doing the old school ‘zero n inches high at y range, aim on and hope’, but I’ve seen far too many people get this very wrong, and spent many hours with the dog afterwards. I think it’s much more effective to zero dead on, and either limit your range or get a rangefinder and dial to the range.
4. Reloading: as someone said above - definitely work up to find a safe load!

But ultimately, we all do things our own way, and should be happy to let others do whatever makes them happy, provided it’s safe. Why criticise someone who gets a chassis rifle in a trendy calibre with a digital scope if it’s their money? That’s like telling them their choice of ice cream is wrong…
 
The 48.0 grain IMR 4895 and 150 grain load is very similar to the US World War 2 load. IMR stands for Improved Military Rifle powder and millions of dollars were spent on developing this powder. It was specially designed to work with the .30-06 and 48.0 grains is a mild charge. It is actually 2 grains under maximum and any good .30-06 rifle can safely shoot this load.

The 57 grains of H-4350, 165 grain Sierra Game King load is also two grains under maximum. The Hodgdon website lists 59 grains as maximum.

Look at what Hodgdon says:
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I used up my last stocks of IMR4350 about 5 years ago. Thankfully, I have sufficient IMR4895 to see me out. Both of these powders @Shootinshyster are no longer available in the UK and Europe as they are, or IMR cannot be be bothered to prove it, compliant with REACH regulations. That made me very angry years ago :(
 
That is quite a number!

In the UK I would hazard that 95% of shots out stalking will be within 200m, our deer species range from tiny to mid sized, we have no bears or wolves and not much boar. I would really like a 30-06, and have a spare 30 cal slot, but just cannot see me using it much above the 308 and 270. Perhaps in a few years.
3030😎
 
In the UK everyone wants frugal when it comes to shooting.
Rip off Britain is a common phrase not without merit.
Why 3030 isn't more popular I don't get.
For 223 doses of powder you get ample deer killing performance 🤷
 
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