Another new cartridge.
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Given the flurry of clips, videos, blogs & "reviews" on YouTube it would seem that Federal are going to push this one a bit harder than Winchester did for the 6.8 Western
Looks interesting, though from a personal viewpoint I can't really see the need for it other than just for Federal to claim that they can do it - but I'm sure there'll be a market for the new chambering in the USA of course
I typically like much of the output from Ron Spomer, Jim Harmer (BackFire) and Who-Tee-Who, I even grew to tolerate Joseph von Benedict due to his collaboration with Ron Spomer
But
Their giddily excited, over enthusiastic adverts yesterday just made them all look like a bunch of paid shills for Federal
To me that was one of the worst aspects of this "launch"
Looks interesting, though from a personal viewpoint I can't really see the need for it other than just for Federal to claim that they can do it - but I'm sure there'll be a market for the new chambering in the USA of course
I typically like much of the output from Ron Spomer, Jim Harmer (BackFire) and Who-Tee-Who, I even grew to tolerate Joseph von Benedict due to his collaboration with Ron Spomer
But
Their giddily excited, over enthusiastic adverts yesterday just made them all look like a bunch of paid shills for Federal
To me that was one of the worst aspects of this "launch"
TringSaint
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This does sound like it’s operating in the hair splitting zone of mid-calibre cartridges.
Anything from 260 up to 30-06 does pretty much the same job. Yes, some fly flatter and other can hit harder and then you have the bullet weight range options, but it’s all been done before.
It’s kind of similar to a car manufacturer suddenly announcing that their new car has a slightly different gearbox or suspension system. Yes, it might be more modern and better in a limited number of situations, but who will chuck out their current car or in this case their 270/308/6.5, etc for it?
Anything from 260 up to 30-06 does pretty much the same job. Yes, some fly flatter and other can hit harder and then you have the bullet weight range options, but it’s all been done before.
It’s kind of similar to a car manufacturer suddenly announcing that their new car has a slightly different gearbox or suspension system. Yes, it might be more modern and better in a limited number of situations, but who will chuck out their current car or in this case their 270/308/6.5, etc for it?
Interesting concept - very short barrel (life).
80,000 pressure - wow!
Yes, very short & to what real advantage compared to alternatives.
Barrel steel technology won’t be catching up with the demands cartridges like this make.
A triumph of ‘marketing’ over common sense. Sometimes you just can’t beat a larger case running at ‘normal’ pressures.
First of all you have to try to think like an American hunter, who imagines they will be taking an elk at 600yds on their next hunt.
With that consumer in mind, a lot of the American rifle makers are convinced that high pressure cartridges are the future. Seekins, for example are building a whole new series of actions and bolts on that premise. Although it is true to say there is no real need for them, the US public seem to want them. They like a fast, flat shooting, heavy bullet with a decent diameter and high BC. And whilst .30cal is their fave, it appears 7mm is the sweet spot. Ammo makers have run out of old cartridges to "improve"upon, so a new approach is "needed". Although 7PRC will do the job in a 24" barrel, who wants to lug that about? Especially with a mod on the end, and they are really catching on over there. The shorter barrel and longer barrel life (because less powder) for the same kind of performance life is a no brainer. As long as your brain is already conditioned to want faster, heavier, fatter and flatter. Just wait for the .30cal version sending 220gn at 3000fps
I'd be surprised if it catches on here in any numbers. We seem to have more sense.
With that consumer in mind, a lot of the American rifle makers are convinced that high pressure cartridges are the future. Seekins, for example are building a whole new series of actions and bolts on that premise. Although it is true to say there is no real need for them, the US public seem to want them. They like a fast, flat shooting, heavy bullet with a decent diameter and high BC. And whilst .30cal is their fave, it appears 7mm is the sweet spot. Ammo makers have run out of old cartridges to "improve"upon, so a new approach is "needed". Although 7PRC will do the job in a 24" barrel, who wants to lug that about? Especially with a mod on the end, and they are really catching on over there. The shorter barrel and longer barrel life (because less powder) for the same kind of performance life is a no brainer. As long as your brain is already conditioned to want faster, heavier, fatter and flatter. Just wait for the .30cal version sending 220gn at 3000fps
I'd be surprised if it catches on here in any numbers. We seem to have more sense.
Triggermortis
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Does steel not rust ?
I’d always assumed that rust would be the reason why brass is the go to metal to make casings from.
I’d always assumed that rust would be the reason why brass is the go to metal to make casings from.
Bugger me!
Ronin
Distinguished Member
Let’s generate a “need”
Marketing at its best
Same as creedmoor
Plenty of cartridges that deliver similar performance or close at far less pressure
Unless you have specialist dies and press you won’t be able to reload the steel cases
The catridge is a long action and as previously stated the case generates 80 k psi over 63 k psi so if anyone is thinking of building on certain actions there may be serious saftey considerations ,,,
Most if not all cartridges deliver best accuracy as something below max pressure loads and certainly many bullets are “happiest” at 2800-2950 fps VO
The testing I’ve seen from across the pond does nothing to suggest that this new “wonder” delivers anything other than mediocre accuracy with the factory loads that are currently available
Even in custom action builds
That suggests the action / barrel and cartridge are not compatible with each other - and there may be flex (plasticity) occurring
Maybe things would be doffernt using a single shot action such as a Barnard P,,,,
But that defeats the whole marketing objective
I won’t be rushing out to get the reamer
Marketing at its best
Same as creedmoor
Plenty of cartridges that deliver similar performance or close at far less pressure
Unless you have specialist dies and press you won’t be able to reload the steel cases
The catridge is a long action and as previously stated the case generates 80 k psi over 63 k psi so if anyone is thinking of building on certain actions there may be serious saftey considerations ,,,
Most if not all cartridges deliver best accuracy as something below max pressure loads and certainly many bullets are “happiest” at 2800-2950 fps VO
The testing I’ve seen from across the pond does nothing to suggest that this new “wonder” delivers anything other than mediocre accuracy with the factory loads that are currently available
Even in custom action builds
That suggests the action / barrel and cartridge are not compatible with each other - and there may be flex (plasticity) occurring
Maybe things would be doffernt using a single shot action such as a Barnard P,,,,
But that defeats the whole marketing objective
I won’t be rushing out to get the reamer
Marketing men creating a need.
Sounds perfect for my 60 yard roe in tight woodlands
Sounds perfect for my 60 yard roe in tight woodlands
Triggermortis
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Oh but darling, havnt you heard, backcountry is the new seasons creedmoor!!!!!
Foxyboy43
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Aye - in my post #21 the video didn’t show any shot targets, indeed it had a line saying something like “only velocity was tested” which seems a tad pointless - zillions of fps but a barn door is dead safe, maybe.
I smell a little scaly-tailed, furry critter….
No you are right, brass or steel it’s just the shaped vessel for containing the primer, powder and bullet, shotgun cartridges used to be cardboard on the front of a short brass case holding the primer. It’s the chamber and bolt head that contains the pressure
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