terrier1
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Well I am very sorry but that is exactly what BASC as been doing sitting back and not representing its members and that why they are on here voicing their disappointment in that organization
BASC AGM
- Thread starter Conor O'Gorman
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As we seem to want an open discussion here on SD, can I ask what organisation YOU belong to terrier1, and what they are doing either publicly or behind the scenes (links to info would be nice) on the points you have raised with Conor.?
jimmy milnes
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Thanks Mike, I got fed up of asking that to people.
terrier1
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my organization are not on this forum as a OFFICIAL MEMBER talking about what a wonderful job they are doing (NOT). And my organization has not let me down yet AS DID BASC and I repeat my self again this was when I had been a member of BASC for 30+ years.
We are having an open discussion are we not?
I find it laudable you won’t answer the questions but expect others to.
jimmy milnes
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They sound fantastic and just who I'm looking for... Can you tell me who it is please..
jimmy milnes
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Skip the above your with NGO.... Arnt they ace compared
see it all over all the proactive good work they're doing 
terrier1
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I am not going to say what organization. As I know where this is going to go. And it will be one of those childish mines better than yours. I have asked Conor a simple question and not had an answer. It has become clear from this thread that BASC was responsible for the medical letters for renewals being required for some of us now. And all I have asked if there is no legal requirement what are BASC doing about it.
terrier1
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Once again you are wrong.Skip the above your with NGO.... Arnt they ace compared
jimmy milnes
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Rewulf
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Interesting .. So would you confirm then that you do the doctors report for no fee ?
Or have I misunderstood , and you actually charge for the typists time?
Could I ask what that charge could be ?
Im interested because once BASC had stopped telling members to flatly refuse to pay, they set up a 'service' to get the reports signed off, charging as I remember , a 'flat fee' of around £120.
Ive tried to find the exact figure, but as in many things with BASC , they tend to remove embarrassing things from their archives ?
I understand that BASC may not earn anything from doctor referrals , but it is interesting that council or BASC members ect may well be set up to potentially ?
terrier1
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When that vote was made I was a member of the NGO but as you have said they are not working in the right direction eg lead. So I have jumped ship and I am no longer a member because of this. Something you dont seem to want to do as many have already told you vote with your wallet.
I will agree it’s a very difficult choice to make, I am joint membership BASC with my wife ( we shoot walked up days together) until December then I will look and see who is doing what , reading between the lines on these forums all ANY of us want is someone to bloody do something to HELP shooting.
terrier1
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The thing is I am at that age where I am only interest in being insurance now I stalk and go beating and shoot on the beaters day and the occasion invitation. They are all as bad not working for there members. but as far I see it BASC is the worsted.
jimmy milnes
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Not being funny but I kinda been saying that all along..
terrier1
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Then you need to make your own mind up no one is telling you where to go. It is your choice.
The agreed arrangement was that if the police had not heard back from an applicant’s GP within three weeks of sending their letter to the GP, enquiring if the applicant had any of the relevant medical conditions in the guidance, the police would assume all was well, and grant the certificate. As the BMA reneged on their part, which was to do the check without a fee, an increasing number of police forces began to insist that the GP respond and confirm the position, or no certificate. Chief Constables have the jurisdiction to vary Home Office ‘guidance’ - it’s similar to the NICE guidance with which doctors are issued, but we do not have to do what it says if we can justify departure. GPs meanwhile are not as I have previously emphasised legally obliged to do this work, neither is it part of their NHS contract, and so they can charge what they like. Advising members not to pay became unsustainable, as the situation developed to the point where the advice was resulting in members’ certificates not being granted.
There is no flat fee of £120 or other figure. That is why there is nothing in BASC’s archives. The fee is privately arranged between the applicant member and the doctor member. The work involved is very variable indeed in the time taken. I would not consider it appropriate to charge anything for a simple check on the records of a member who had no relevant conditions, as the work would not take more than half to one hour, as previously it’s my contribution to the shooting community. I would in that case send a very brief letter myself, saying there were no conditions, and not incur my typist’s charges. The last letter I did was for a member with a history of depression, which took some time as the letter included an account of the medical history plus arguments to justify my opinion, which was that the relevant condition did not afford any significant risk to the applicant member or anybody else. The member paid me £50, half of which went to my typist, and the certificate was granted. If BASC doctor members want to help out fellow members in difficulty with their expertise once every five years, one may argue that members are having to pay for something which was not previously necessary, but that’s thanks to the BMA and the police, not BASC. That I am on Council is irrelevant, I would have agreed to be on the BASC doctor members’ panel anyway. Council affords no opportunities for income generation. I hope I’ve clarified the points, thank you for raising them.
Rewulf
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Thank you, however the 'flat fee' of which I mentioned was something spoken about on the forums, I apologise if was not a BASC sanctioned figure , but it most certainly was a 'thing'
I shall do some more digging and see if I can find the origin.
BTW your typist is earning good money
Glad to be helpful Rewulf. My typist does all my book keeping, VAT, and my schedule for my practice so he is more than worth it - and he shoots!Thank you, however the 'flat fee' of which I mentioned was something spoken about on the forums, I apologise if was not a BASC sanctioned figure , but it most certainly was a 'thing'
I shall do some more digging and see if I can find the origin.
BTW your typist is earning good money
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