BASC response to Firearms Licensing Guidance Consultation

Beggars ****ing belief what was wrong with the old system plod notifes your GP you have firearms if nothing heard back after 21 day's cert goes ahead
I hope all doctors refuse to do this form crap that might make plod think again
Plod don’t care the pain is all ours. Take it or leave it sir want a certificate or not to quote the chief constable of Kent
Taken from his 4 line reply in the complaint response:

I am satisfied that the policy is appropriate at this time however we recognise the difficulties in place on those wishing to apply for a licence.

Yer difficulties of his own making ! Still the appeal to the IOPC is nearly ready to submit.

We all should be submitting complaints to the crime commissioner against the chief constables that do not align with HOG2016 and copy it to your MP. Individually we have more power then the organisations to bring about change.
 
I just think it is easier for them to dismiss the approach from one organisation then it would be from hundreds or thousands of individuals.
I agree sir, which is why BASC and the rest should insist their members respond directly and facilitate that with letters to MP's on behalf of their members. No let up !! Even if 40% of these eligible to in Kent wrote in, it would start a very large ball rolling.
However, having failed to take the Chief Constables by the small prunes, the force of any argument now is less, much less, debilitatingly so. They are changing the guidance because they are at risk and our Orgs missed the chance - given on a plate.
 
Trouble is history has shown what a lethargic, lazy lot the majority of shooters are preferring to leave it to the organisations to do it for us.

After all, who wants to tackle the chief constable when in the back of their mind they know it is he or she that has final say over their certificate/s
 
Trouble is history has shown what a lethargic, lazy lot the majority of shooters are preferring to leave it to the organisations to do it for us.

After all, who wants to tackle the chief constable when in the back of their mind they know it is he or she that has final say over their certificate/s
So, What is an organisation for if not just insurance????????????????, PARTICULARLY ONE CALLING ITSELF THE VOICE OF SHOOTING?
 
Trouble is history has shown what a lethargic, lazy lot the majority of shooters are preferring to leave it to the organisations to do it for us.
Me and lot of my shooting friends have marched around London twice in support of fox hunting because we all knew that shooting would be next. So don't class me with all the shooters who are sit behind a keyboard and are lazy. Its time all the BASC members get to the next AGM and vote someone in to power who has got a set of **lls.
 
So, What is an organisation for if not just insurance????????????????, PARTICULARLY ONE CALLING ITSELF THE VOICE OF SHOOTING?

We all know what we would like to think they are there for and clearly they are not meeting our expectations so what do we do focus are frustration, time and energy against them or take control and direct action against chief constables via the crime commissioner or MPs.

But let’s face it we are in a very unlikely win situation as firearms owners we have been an easy target for years hence the loss of handguns, semi- auto center fire rifles and now mars action.

I just think on mass as individuals and many voices we may get listened to, compared with one voice with a sore throat.

It’s not just the shooting orgs that need to grow a pair so do our MPs so they can then stand up against the anti gun and media. But BREXIT is showing what a shambles a lot of them are putting their own personal view rather than that of their constituents or leave vote.
 
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Us lot are the most law abiding so the **** is the police making it harder for us to renew
It's time this licence fiasco was taken away from the police
And put in the hands of some other management
The police should not put any further workload on the doctors it's a bloody disgrace they have enough on thier plate already makes me ****ing mad
 
Just been doing some research and ended up on BASCs Facebook and found this.

A strong and unified voice for shooting
- All party backing for shooting
- Balanced comment in the media
- Continued opportunity to go shooting
- High standards

Our mission is to promote and protect sporting shooting and the well-being of the countryside throughout the United Kingdom and overseas. We represent our members' interests by providing a voice for sporting shooting

I can't believe the cheeky of them who write this crap and how can they sleep at night.
 
Just been doing some research and ended up on BASCs Facebook and found this.

A strong and unified voice for shooting
- All party backing for shooting
- Balanced comment in the media
- Continued opportunity to go shooting
- High standards

Our mission is to promote and protect sporting shooting and the well-being of the countryside throughout the United Kingdom and overseas. We represent our members' interests by providing a voice for sporting shooting

I can't believe the cheeky of them who write this crap and how can they sleep at night.
It's put like that to get you to join absolutely waste of your money
 
Me and lot of my shooting friends have marched around London twice in support of fox hunting because we all knew that shooting would be next. So don't class me with all the shooters who are sit behind a keyboard and are lazy. Its time all the BASC members get to the next AGM and vote someone in to power who has got a set of **lls.
AGN’s are not about voting in anyone, voting in takes place through the postal ballot.
 
Us lot are the most law abiding so the **** is the police making it harder for us to renew
It's time this licence fiasco was taken away from the police
And put in the hands of some other management
The police should not put any further workload on the doctors it's a bloody disgrace they have enough on thier plate already makes me ****ing mad
Taking it away from the police is what Conor at BASC is suggesting, as for your other comments I long time ago concluded that the police will only be happy when no private individual owns a firearm so they don’t care how hard or expensive the application process is.
 
It's put like that to get you to join absolutely waste of your money
A lot of people start shooting sports with friends and I have brought a lot of friends into the sport of shooting and twenty years ago I would have recommended that they joined BASC but over the last ten years this organization has lost the plot where shooting is concerned. So if asked today I would recommended one of the other organization.
 
Taking it away from the police is what Conor at BASC is suggesting, as for your other comments I long time ago concluded that the police will only be happy when no private individual owns a firearm so they don’t care how hard or expensive the application process is.
It might be worth airing the view again that it really doesn't matter who does it, as long as it is done fairly (not consistently, please note: fairly!) and in accordance with the law. The mechanisms of holding the police to account have worked well for me in a minor way in the past, and should work yet if anyone had the clout to give it a proper go. 'Other bodies' who might administer the certification of firearms users would IMO be made deliberately more awkward (if you can imagine it - I can) to hold to account. I think it is reasonable to suggest that changing the adminsitering authority would be unlikely to make things better, and would carry a high risk of making them worse.

The idea that the Police (not individual bobbies necessarily, of course, but the top brass for sure) have the view described seems to be supported by their conduct since at the latest the 1960s. The same can be said of the Home Office. Additionally, both bodies are highly-skilled if not exactly at managing governments and public opinion, then at least taking advantage of their spasms of anxiety, to advance this agenda. Making the process harder and more expensive for applicants is a well-recognised tactic - and the requirement that applicants both pay unspecified amounts to a third party for 'reports', and have to get these reports themselves from a source known in many cases to be unwilling to provide them, is therefore ideal.
It's unfortunate that this likelihood was not recognised (and almost seems not to have beeneven now) on our side of the 'negotiations'.

That is why we and our organisations need to be very much on our guard when talking to them about anything. Particularly, such discussion should not be mistaken for negotitation - as the result of that misunderstanding seems both historically and recently to be that more of our freedoms are taken away, but with our apparent agreement - rather than in the face of our assertive, well-argued and unequivocal opposition.

'What's the difference?' you might ask, 'they'll reduce our freedoms anyway.' Well, maybe - but perhaps better for them to reduce them after we've done our best to oppose them than after a few pleasant chats. And you never know - well-reasoned arguements well-supported in Law and precedent might actually work.
 
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Me and lot of my shooting friends have marched around London twice in support of fox hunting because we all knew that shooting would be next. So don't class me with all the shooters who are sit behind a keyboard and are lazy. Its time all the BASC members get to the next AGM and vote someone in to power who has got a set of **lls.
As have I, but look at the recent evidence, 200,000 clicked a pointless online petition to sack packham from an organisation he doesn't work for, yet only 4000 bother to reply to the recent consultation. Someone on here mentioned putting pro shooting candidates forward for all the PCC posts, personally I think thats a good idea, yet none of the shooting orgs picked up on the idea
 
I suggested the Idea re PCC posts but have recently learnt that the PCC can hire and fire the chief constable but cannot in theory interfere with day to day operational matters. Yet the Kent CC did write to every Kent MP supporting the chief constable in implementing mandatory medical reports.
 
The police should do what there paid to do fight crime
Boris Johnson has pledged 600 more offers to do this
So what we will see is 600 more officers spread around the the ****ing country store in a layby with a ****ing camera sticking out of a transit van
 
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