Bavarian

[RCS Deer Management]

Hi, I’m looking to add another deer dog to my team as my current dog is 5, and I want start looking into getting a second as if anything was to happen to my dog I would be stuffed. I currently work a spaniel who is amazing, however I’m not necessarily looking to that breed for my next deer dog as I realise his temperament and abilities on deer arnt necessarily common within the breed (I own 6 other working spaniels so understand them quite well). The breed that keeps catching my eye is the Bavarian, however I have a few questions for those who work them regularly. In my research i have found that most people talk of their Bavarians ability to bay up wounded deer. Is this a characteristic of the breed or are they as likely to be able to pull a deer and finish it off or hold it till you get there? . I have seen baying dogs work before and they arnt ideal for my ground. Often if there is a wounded deer (fallow pricket or smaller) my dog can have it on the ground with a minimum of fuss by the time I get there, just leaving me to finish it off if necessary. Another question is wether uyou always need to work them on long lines? Can you get their recall good enough to call them off of a deer if they were heading towards a road? I’m sorry if some of these questions seem dumb, I’m not new to working dogs on deer, but I am very naive about Bavarians.

 

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[Bowland blades]

Hi, I’m looking to add another deer dog to my team as my current dog is 5, and I want start looking into getting a second as if anything was to happen to my dog I would be stuffed. I currently work a spaniel who is amazing, however I’m not necessarily looking to that breed for my next deer dog as I realise his temperament and abilities on deer arnt necessarily common within the breed (I own 6 other working spaniels so understand them quite well). The breed that keeps catching my eye is the Bavarian, however I have a few questions for those who work them regularly. In my research i have found that most people talk of their Bavarians ability to bay up wounded deer. Is this a characteristic of the breed or are they as likely to be able to pull a deer and finish it off or hold it till you get there? . I have seen baying dogs work before and they arnt ideal for my ground. Often if there is a wounded deer (fallow pricket or smaller) my dog can have it on the ground with a minimum of fuss by the time I get there, just leaving me to finish it off if necessary. Another question is wether uyou always need to work them on long lines? Can you get their recall good enough to call them off of a deer if they were heading towards a road? I’m sorry if some of these questions seem dumb, I’m not new to working dogs on deer, but I am very naive about Bavarians.

Stopping a dog dead in its tracks during an active close chase is a big ask and indicates the dog isn't as committed as it should be, very different to stopping a springer in its first few steps. There was a Bavarian x Lab young dog on here just this last week / fortnight , you should look for the thread perhaps?. I have only had Labs and one GWP , pretty sure I will stick to Labs as they suit my needs perfectly

 

[RCS Deer Management]

Stopping a dog dead in its tracks during an active close chase is a big ask and indicates the dog isn't as committed as it should be, very different to stopping a springer in its first few steps. There was a Bavarian x Lab young dog on here just this last week / fortnight , you should look for the thread perhaps?. I have only had Labs and one GWP , pretty sure I will stick to Labs as they suit my needs perfectly

That’s why I was asking. All of the deer dogs (predominantly labs) that me and my associates use can be called off a deer if you really need to, and yet all are fully committed on even fairly lively wounded deer. I wondered if Bavarians were capable of this or wether they are all or nothing.

 

[RCS Deer Management]

That’s why I was asking. All of the deer dogs (predominantly labs) that me and my associates use can be called off a deer if you really need to, and yet all are fully committed on even fairly lively wounded deer. I wondered if Bavarians were capable of this or wether they are all or nothing.

After this comment you may just wonder why I don’t just go for a lab if I like how they work. Because good hard labs seem to be getting very hard to find, made harder by a lot of people thinking their dogs are better than they are. I wanted to know if a Bavarian would be a viable alternative or whether they are better suited to the long line type tracking.

 

[Bowland blades]

That’s why I was asking. All of the deer dogs (predominantly labs) that me and my associates use can be called off a deer if you really need to, and yet all are fully committed on even fairly lively wounded deer. I wondered if Bavarians were capable of this or wether they are all or nothing.

I can only truthfully call either of my last two labs off before they entered into a hot chase ! Not 100% want one i can just blow the stop whistle at while entered into full chase . Deer dogs imo are not like the picking up team at a big shoot , What they do however works for me . I have little experience of the Bavarian and never trained one but would rather have one of those than another GWP as mine was way too much Drive but others are sadly lacking in it .
Lets be honest most of the time you dont even use the dog , its on the back seat or at heel, but when you need one you 110% need one . My recently passed old lab actually nailed a fox while he had only milk teeth , it escaped his grip ( having never been shot in the first place ) but carried on the chase , he hated foxes all his life after . Familly still laugh about my near hart attack running after the bugger that day LOL . God i miss him though ! The current one is very different and completed his first decent track just a couple of weeks ago onto a ploughed field in the dark

 

[LarryLightFoot]

I’m on the path with one of these BMH x Lab pups mentioned above, at the moment I’ve pulled right back on everything and just getting the basics in place, he’s tracked before and turns into a machine when doing so, for now I just want to get him through his teens and steady but he defo has one hell of a nose on him .

 

[GWP]

Try Tom Revery if hes still on here changed his monika Tom 308w

 

[Heym SR20]

I have been with BMHs tracking wounded boar in Germany, and have a BMH x Lab myself. BMHs tend to be worked on a long lead as they do have a strong drive and a lead means that you can control when there is big wounded animal.

To be honest I wouldn’t want any dog to go in hard on a wounded beast. I want it to take me to it so that I can then dispatch it from a few metres away.

Deer have sharp pointy antlers, teeth and sharp hooves all of which can give rise to big vet bills or worse.