BBC Panorama- SAS

[Ronin]

And remind me, what the feck were we doing there, and what did we achieve ???????????????

Prevented possibly countless deaths from terrorist activities, removed terrorist followers and provided them with early meeting of their maker (if one believes such religious twaddle) and showed the world that politicians are not to be trusted at all

Have to say the sacrifices our troops made out there is immense

Removal of terrorist or sympathisers by any means is justified - this is nothing new

Specialist people acting as scalpels removing cancerous individuals

 

[User00036]

Prevented possibly countless deaths from terrorist activities, removed terrorist followers and provided them with early meeting of their maker (if one believes such religious twaddle) and showed the world that politicians are not to be trusted at all

Have to say the sacrifices our troops made out there is immense

Removal of terrorist or sympathisers by any means is justified - this is nothing new

Specialist people acting as scalpels removing cancerous individuals

I would that as a young child or man, who had seen his unarmed father murdered by a death squad, by an occupying force in your home land, would almost certainly want revenge, so those actions have almost guaranteed the next generation of so called terrorists. We achieved nothing good, we don't have a plan B, just like Iraq, we just create abject misery.

 

[Sampo]

I see in the near future BBC would be doing their last operation before they start putting things on eBay to pay off their staff. The recent trend is - 'If its on BBC, it must be biased'

 

[Tim.243]

Only saw the journalists standing behind the barrier taking pictures not blowing windows out and shooting bad people...




The Iranian Embassy siege took place from 30 April to 5 May 1980, after a group of six armed men stormed the Iranian embassy on Prince's Gate in South Kensington, London. The gunmen, Iranian Arabs campaigning for sovereignty of Khuzestan Province, took 26 people hostage, including embassy staff, several visitors, and a police officer who had been guarding the embassy. They demanded the release of prisoners in Khuzestan and their own safe passage out of the United Kingdom. The British government quickly decided that safe passage would not be granted and a siege ensued. Subsequently, police negotiators secured the release of five hostages in exchange for minor concessions, such as the broadcasting of the hostage-takers' demands on British television.

By the sixth day of the siege the gunmen were increasingly frustrated at the lack of progress in meeting their demands. That evening, they killed a hostage and threw his body out of the embassy. The Special Air Service (SAS), a special forces regiment of the British Army, initiated "Operation Nimrod" to rescue the remaining hostages, abseiling from the roof and forcing entry through the windows. During the 17-minute raid they rescued all but one of the remaining hostages and killed five of the six hostage-takers. An inquest cleared the SAS of any wrongdoing. The sole remaining gunman served 27 years in British prisons.

 

[topscots1]

I would that as a young child or man, who had seen his unarmed father murdered by a death squad, by an occupying force in your home land, would almost certainly want revenge, so those actions have almost guaranteed the next generation of so called terrorists. We achieved nothing good, we don't have a plan B, just like Iraq, we just create abject misery.

You spout a lot of “WE”. Which all seems a little short sighted, the Iraqi people overwhelmingly wished for the removal of Saddam The Shia majority were terrorised and victimised by the Sunni minority, that’s without looking at the Kurds and the years of insurgency being fought before the coalition invaded. As for the creation of abject misery in Iraq not quite, the internal sectarian and tribal fighting has been going on for centuries and shall continue for many more. “WE” are not responsible for the actions of others, “WE” attempted to instil democratic governance and infrastructure “THEY “ the people of Iraq decided against it. Although it is holding somewhat with time.

As for Afghanistan, the Afghan people again wished for the removal of the Taliban and still do, the fact is the great western public are unwilling to watch as war unfolds on the TV screens any more, the real issue resulting in he collapse of The Afghan government is the corruption of Afghans. Creating false divisions of soldiers to pocket the wages. Again the tribal fighting that continues today has been happening for centuries and will continue to happen.

As for the death squads by an occupying force wholehearted nonsense and proven to be time and time again, yes we’re people killed asleep in bed , unarmed, running away. They wholeheartedly were generally by drone strikes air or artillery, as combatants under war fighting rules of engagement all perfectly legal. That is warfare unfortunately. Did this happen under peace support or enforcement ROE no not on a mass scale every rule has an exception, these cases on the whole have been highlighted and investigated.

As for the plan B you speak of the Plan A,B,C in fact all the way to Z was to hand over the running of both these nations to the people of these nations to control their own destiny which has now been done.

Too many people came home in body bags or without limbs to continue in to perpetuity propping up corrupt governments, the independence sought was taken and now the future is theirs to shape.

The debate about either the timing was right or wrong is a pointless one.

The world is where it is, much like the long grown old argument that the empire is responsible for the state of Africa. It is all nonsense these nations must shape the future for themselves.

History can be debated for eternity whilst the future flounders under the eyes of the shortsighted.

 

[bottletopbill]

F--- them we did what the Taliban did to ours guys Every one who was fighting should be exempt of any charges . It was a dirty fight and every one should have our support and back them up.

 

[User00040]

I would that as a young child or man, who had seen his unarmed father murdered by a death squad, by an occupying force in your home land, would almost certainly want revenge, so those actions have almost guaranteed the next generation of so called terrorists. We achieved nothing good, we don't have a plan B, just like Iraq, we just create abject misery.

Agreed, recent wars in the sandpit were the best recruiting tool that the Taliban/Al-Qaeda/ ISIS could have ever hoped for.

The terrorists have even admitted that Islamaphobia in the West was one of their core goals. Easy to prey on vicitims to be radicalised if they feel unwanted in their own country.

Funny how those welcoming Ukranian refugees to the UK with open arms want people coming from Iraq and Afghanistan turned back...

No bias at all *cough*

 

[User00040]

Have to say the sacrifices our troops made out there is immense

Removal of terrorist or sympathisers by any means is justified - this is nothing new

Specialist people acting as scalpels removing cancerous individuals

Scary that the Russian are using the same terms and language as seen above in context of invading Ukraine...

When one country invades another, it is every person's duty to resist, no matter what the occupuying force is supposedly there for.

The use of death squads is indefensible.

 

[User00040]

The British Army is no stranger to covering up such actions: Batang Kali Massacre Malaya Will the release of secret documents allow the real story of the

 

[TomT3]

Another shameful distasteful bias load of crap from the BBC. The second or third chap they interviewed said ‘he didn’t know two of the people lodging in his room and they turned out to be Taliban’ there’s two things to take from this -one there’s a good chance he’s talking utter rollocks and two if there was two taliban in there how would you know who was who? I certainly wouldn’t be risking it. BBC do not know the real facts of these raids by talking to Afghan people who are probably being paid 10 years later! Why else would they want to see another English face! I do find it hard to believe that trained SAS men would just murder innocent men, but let’s be honest think if it was you and you was a hardened SAS man. You’d more than likely seen mates killed and been in some terrible situations and environments and you was on a patrol searching for bomb makers and taliban leaders when you happened to stumble into a room full of Afghan men some potentially with rifles. It’s either a you or them situation. I really would love to know how all these other people would behave in that situation- especially the journalists.

 

[Bo Diddley]

Same old same old... when the **** is kicking off somewhere and we get involved to try and help out with keeping the world a safer place for westerners, we applaud our armed forces for their efforts, especially the lads in Hereford, who we all know are the best in the world... but as soon as the dust settles you get the weak hand ringing brigade looking for someone to point the finger at (BBC is full of them) lest the spotlight be shone in their direction or their actions or lack of them are brought to light.
Armies know the way to win a war is to kill the enemy, politicians think they can start off this way and then revert to a hearts & minds campaign, look at the problems in Iraq with our lads having to radio in when they spotted a raghead planting an IED before they could shoot if the bomb was planted and the raghead was moving off they couldn't shoot, no wonder they took things upon themselves to make a few decisions and worried about the consequences later. Heros from Hereford!

 

[User00036]

“WE” attempted to instil democratic governance and infrastructure “THEY “ the people of Iraq decided against it. Although it is holding somewhat with time.

Thats some statement, considering we destroyed just about all their infrastructure. sewage, water, electricity, roads, clean water, hospitals medicines etc., & imposed sanctions on them that killed hundreds of thousands., & tried to impose a phoney pro western leader there. You got some mighty good rose tinted glasses there, where can I get some from.???

 

[I. Farticus]

I'm surprised HM forces allow the BBC anywhere near them after the way they covered the Falklands.Reporting that the Argentine air force were dropping munitions too low to arm before impact and reporting the imminent assault on goose green.What a bunch of ****ers.

The Falklands Goose Green leak was John Nott on the BBC, not a BBC dropped b*ll*ck

 

[topscots1]

Thats some statement, considering we destroyed just about all their infrastructure. sewage, water, electricity, roads, clean water, hospitals medicines etc., & imposed sanctions on them that killed hundreds of thousands., & tried to impose a phoney pro western leader there. You got some mighty good rose tinted glasses there, where can I get some from.???

Well, the sewage infrastructure worked fine, I recall flushing toilets and running water in both Basra and Baghdad. Well that is until the Iraqis looted the pipe work to sell for scrap.

Electricity much the same story back up and running within weeks of the invasion of course until the locals realised that stripping the wires had a value and cut down the power lines.

The road network generally better than the U.K.

Hospitals actually improved, having spent some time securing the maternity hospital in Basra. Again the supplies post invasion were provided and then stolen.

My spectacles aren’t rose tinted they are first hand, not from second rate documentaries.

If your interested in first hand knowledge lots of aid agencies looking for volunteers.

 

[Drum123]

The Falklands Goose Green leak was John Nott on the BBC, not a BBC dropped b*ll*ck

Thanks for the correction. My mistake.

 

[Ade8mm]

Only saw the journalists standing behind the barrier taking pictures not blowing windows out and shooting bad people...




The Iranian Embassy siege took place from 30 April to 5 May 1980, after a group of six armed men stormed the Iranian embassy on Prince's Gate in South Kensington, London. The gunmen, Iranian Arabs campaigning for sovereignty of Khuzestan Province, took 26 people hostage, including embassy staff, several visitors, and a police officer who had been guarding the embassy. They demanded the release of prisoners in Khuzestan and their own safe passage out of the United Kingdom. The British government quickly decided that safe passage would not be granted and a siege ensued. Subsequently, police negotiators secured the release of five hostages in exchange for minor concessions, such as the broadcasting of the hostage-takers' demands on British television.

By the sixth day of the siege the gunmen were increasingly frustrated at the lack of progress in meeting their demands. That evening, they killed a hostage and threw his body out of the embassy. The Special Air Service (SAS), a special forces regiment of the British Army, initiated "Operation Nimrod" to rescue the remaining hostages, abseiling from the roof and forcing entry through the windows. During the 17-minute raid they rescued all but one of the remaining hostages and killed five of the six hostage-takers. An inquest cleared the SAS of any wrongdoing. The sole remaining gunman served 27 years in British prisons.

Yes. 42 years ago Tim.
Some of the jokers on here
a) have no knowledge about that of which you posted
b) are 20 years old and know everything

You can't fix stupid Tim.

My advice; Save your breath and live longer

Ade

 

[foxhunter]

F..k them all I say ....its about time we stopped meddling in other peoples wars and let them just kill each other.

 

[potshotpat]

I'd volunteer my kids into any conflict, as long as they are following any politicians volunteering their kids in first.

 

[User00036]

You spout a lot of “WE”. Which all seems a little short sighted, the Iraqi people overwhelmingly wished for the removal of Saddam The Shia majority were terrorised and victimised by the Sunni minority, that’s without looking at the Kurds and the years of insurgency being fought before the coalition invaded. As for the creation of abject misery in Iraq not quite, the internal sectarian and tribal fighting has been going on for centuries and shall continue for many more. “WE” are not responsible for the actions of others, “WE” attempted to instil democratic governance and infrastructure “THEY “ the people of Iraq decided against it. Although it is holding somewhat with time.

As for Afghanistan, the Afghan people again wished for the removal of the Taliban and still do, the fact is the great western public are unwilling to watch as war unfolds on the TV screens any more, the real issue resulting in he collapse of The Afghan government is the corruption of Afghans. Creating false divisions of soldiers to pocket the wages. Again the tribal fighting that continues today has been happening for centuries and will continue to happen.

As for the death squads by an occupying force wholehearted nonsense and proven to be time and time again, yes we’re people killed asleep in bed , unarmed, running away. They wholeheartedly were generally by drone strikes air or artillery, as combatants under war fighting rules of engagement all perfectly legal. That is warfare unfortunately. Did this happen under peace support or enforcement ROE no not on a mass scale every rule has an exception, these cases on the whole have been highlighted and investigated.

As for the plan B you speak of the Plan A,B,C in fact all the way to Z was to hand over the running of both these nations to the people of these nations to control their own destiny which has now been done.

Too many people came home in body bags or without limbs to continue in to perpetuity propping up corrupt governments, the independence sought was taken and now the future is theirs to shape.

The debate about either the timing was right or wrong is a pointless one.

The world is where it is, much like the long grown old argument that the empire is responsible for the state of Africa. It is all nonsense these nations must shape the future for themselves.

History can be debated for eternity whilst the future flounders under the eyes of the shortsighted.

Please don't take my posts the wrong way. I question the reason for the war in Afghanistan & Iraq, troops act on orders that are made presumably by intelligence gathering. I am extremely critical of the intelligence (or lack of) that made us go into the these countries in the first place, it seems to me that none of the objectives given have been achieved. As for Basra, I do believe the British worked extremely hard at trying to build up relationships with the Iraqis, as for your involvement, whether as a soldier or aid worker, you have my respect,
Yours sincerely, FG.

 

[Scotty99]

The one thing I find strange and lacking from this story is the complete silence from the Taliban. Now they are back running the show, if these alleged atrocities (using that word carefully here in its wartime / conflict context) did actually occur they would have the witness testimonies and their propaganda machine would be all over it. Instead we get total silence from them.