Brittany boy
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Bet they say .22 LR 
Caliber decision
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Grannysmith
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At the risk of being predictable again 270 every time
Malxwal
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Not the dozen I was watching the other day, somehow surviving on open hill where their food was buried in three feet of snow. They were getting shelter in a small patch of very open trees. Hardy things hill roe, wee but hardy. Would definitely need at least a 6.5 Creedmoor running 143 ELD-X to knock down
243 is a great choice unless Scotland don't do as promised and reduce the 100 grain misrule because 243 won't stabilise 100 grain non toxic!
A 6.5 mm something is and would be my choice and was when I changed my 243 barrel for tge above reason . Creed if you don't reload is sensible . I did a 1-8 260 rem because I do reload .
Extensively shot 308 , 7-08 , 30-06 but the 243cwas a favourite for 20 years ish ?
A 6.5 mm something is and would be my choice and was when I changed my 243 barrel for tge above reason . Creed if you don't reload is sensible . I did a 1-8 260 rem because I do reload .
Extensively shot 308 , 7-08 , 30-06 but the 243cwas a favourite for 20 years ish ?
March Brown
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Some great arguments for this that and the next caliber. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I’ve been reading the replies and had my thought of getting a .243 confirmed, then thought perhaps I should consider a 6.5x55 etc. then I swayed to the .270 and the .308. The key points that seem to be coming through are practice practice practice. There is no substitute for accuracy. Get a gun that feels good, I get this exactly, when I was looking for my shotgun I was told try as many as you can, you’ll pick one up and know it’s right for you. This was indeed the case.
I am more inclined towards a gun that fires a bullet at the target (.243, .270) than one that lobs a bullet at the target (.308, etc) less room for error on my part
. So I’m going to wait till Tricky lets the gun shops open and go window shopping, the best kind 
I am more inclined towards a gun that fires a bullet at the target (.243, .270) than one that lobs a bullet at the target (.308, etc) less room for error on my part
. So I’m going to wait till Tricky lets the gun shops open and go window shopping, the best kind True, WWII era German developers and later Soviet boffins were quick to catch on to the more sensible 'intermediate' cartridges, albeit not for bolt actions but 'assault' rifles.
The American's ditched the .308/7.62X51 chambered M14 as the standard infantry rifle pretty quickly after encountering a few AK-47's in Vietnam. 'Tip of the spear' Brits were using the AR15 in Malaya/Borneo before the US adopted the M16 (no need for a forward assist either
)Borneo: The AR-15's UK Debut
Good Evening,Late last year I posted a thread about MoD use of the AR-15 rifle from Borneo through Operation BANNER. I'd like to pick your brains again on an obscure subset of the AR-15, namely the very first few rifles that were purchased from Colt back in 1963. The AR 15 was first tested by...
www.arrse.co.uk
Whilst some will argue this was all to do with making reliable, high capacity magazines I think the fact that these arms cycle with a lot less recoil compared to those with 'full length' rifle cartridges really set them apart.
What does this have to do with a bolt action hunting rifles?
Well, the 7.62X39 spawned the cute wee .220 Russian- 5.6x39mm .220 Russian ammo ammunition for sale
The fact that Soviets went on to adopt 5.45X39 in the 70's and Hornady's 6 ARC lists the 220 Russian/ 6.5 Grendel as it's parent case says something about the idea and it's trajectory. The all-conquering benchrest PPC family of cartridges also owes it's existence to this concept.
Lapua still makes brass for the .220 Russian, and Sako made a very limited number of L461/A1's in this chambering, which really peaks my interest!
A cheaper (when/if the ammo market calms down) and more sensible solution would probably be a Howa Mini in 6ARC, as if they don't make one then Legacy Sport's marketing department must hate money.
Sorry for taking it off-topic!
I am more inclined towards a gun that fires a bullet at the target (.243, .270) than one that lobs a bullet at the target (.308, etc) less room for error on my part
Better still, try shooting them!
If/when lockdown lifts and you are willing to meet I would be more than happy to help, if this is of interest you can PM me.
Cheers.
No problem. There is an awful lot of debate to be had around the military small calibre issue. Action type vs accuracy is another good topic (reducing the infantryman's individual effectiveness but giving a lot of firepower to the squad).True, WWII era German developers and later Soviet boffins were quick to catch on to the more sensible 'intermediate' cartridges, albeit not for bolt actions but 'assault' rifles.
The American's ditched the .308/7.62X51 chambered M14 as the standard infantry rifle pretty quickly after encountering a few AK-47's in Vietnam. 'Tip of the spear' Brits were using the AR15 in Malaya/Borneo before the US adopted the M16 (no need for a forward assist either
Borneo: The AR-15's UK Debut
Good Evening,Late last year I posted a thread about MoD use of the AR-15 rifle from Borneo through Operation BANNER. I'd like to pick your brains again on an obscure subset of the AR-15, namely the very first few rifles that were purchased from Colt back in 1963. The AR 15 was first tested by...
Whilst some will argue this was all to do with making reliable, high capacity magazines I think the fact that these arms cycle with a lot less recoil compared to those with 'full length' rifle cartridges really set them apart.
What does this have to do with a bolt action hunting rifles?
Well, the 7.62X39 spawned the cute wee .220 Russian- 5.6x39mm .220 Russian ammo ammunition for sale
The fact that Soviets went on to adopt 5.45X39 in the 70's and Hornady's 6 ARC lists the 220 Russian/ 6.5 Grendel as it's parent case says something about the idea and it's trajectory. The all-conquering benchrest PPC family of cartridges also owes it's existence to this concept.
Lapua still makes brass for the .220 Russian, and Sako made a very limited number of L461/A1's in this chambering, which really peaks my interest!
A cheaper (when/if the ammo market calms down) and more sensible solution would probably be a Howa Mini in 6ARC, as if they don't make one then Legacy Sport's marketing department must hate money.
Sorry for taking it off-topic!
But it is interesting that, 25 years after dropping the 7.62x51 20-round magazine semi-auto only Self-Loading Rifle for the 5.56 small arms family, we had to tender for a 7.62x51 20-round magazine semi-auto only Self-Loading Rifle....................known as the Sharpshooter rifle L129A1. Because we were getting malleted by the Taliban who weren't playing the game by only using the AK-74 small caliber - they had the old-fashioned 7.62x39 version that reached out further than our mere 5.56mm weapons. And we weren't fighting in urban/built-up areas. So we had a good old-fashioned capability gap.
And I wonder why the US are moving inexorably to a 6.8mm round? So smaller isn't always better in the military world.
Dragunov/SVD, implemented circa 1960's- interesting that they are using the more readily available Chinese export version (Tiger clone) in .308, I wonder how the original, 1890's vintage 7.62X54R would have fared?
7.62X51 M110 circa 2007 (arguably a better version of the L129A1
)Amazing to see how the West was (is?) still playing catch-up to the small arms of the long collapsed Soviet Union.
By all accounts, the Dragunov (a 20 round semi-auto rifle) in 7.62x54R worked very well in its intended purpose, which was not primarily as a dedicated sniper rifle. They were issued only to designated marksmen - i.e. infanteers who were good shots and could be used to harass the enemy on the battlefield by targeting their command and control personnel (shoot the signaller or officer or both) at ranges the rest of the squad couldn't be that accurate with using their 7.62x39 AK47/AKM. So pretty much the same capability our Sharpshooter rifle provided in Afghan.
The only one I got to shoot was Russian and was set up with the original issue scope. It was very pleasant to shoot (like most semi-autos) and quite accurate.
The only one I got to shoot was Russian and was set up with the original issue scope. It was very pleasant to shoot (like most semi-autos) and quite accurate.
alberta boy
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I owned one in the early 90's . It was a very accurate and reliable rifle . It was the original incarnation of the DMR . They were selling for about $500 CDN at the time , one of the better deals out there . Unfortunately , they're on the prohib list these days .
AB
Where have you got this lobbing idea from? I think you need to look at the ballistics of .308 before making that sweeping statement buddy. 125 gr in .308 will do anything a 130 in .270 will.Some great arguments for this that and the next caliber. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I’ve been reading the replies and had my thought of getting a .243 confirmed, then thought perhaps I should consider a 6.5x55 etc. then I swayed to the .270 and the .308. The key points that seem to be coming through are practice practice practice. There is no substitute for accuracy. Get a gun that feels good, I get this exactly, when I was looking for my shotgun I was told try as many as you can, you’ll pick one up and know it’s right for you. This was indeed the case.
I am more inclined towards a gun that fires a bullet at the target (.243, .270) than one that lobs a bullet at the target (.308, etc) less room for error on my part
.243 is just rubbish in comparison, unless you want to shoot light bullets, if you are only ever going to shoot roe then it’ll be fine
Grandhubert
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Do not make the mistake of thinking that .308 is much more of a short range cartridge than the .243/6.5/270 etc.
If you compare these cartridges with bullets of an equal sectional density and same profile you will see that the differences in drop out to 300 yards isn’t very different; certainly not so different as you be able to point and shoot with cartridge but not the other.
If the target is far enough away that you are now allowing for drop and wind, the precise number doesn’t matter very much as you compensate for whatever it is and it takes no more time to wind in seven clicks than six, for example.
then consider that the a well loaded 308 has as much energy at 150-200 yards as the .243 does at the muzzle.
I personally shoot a 3006 but have a .243 and have tried most the cartridges in between on deer; I take the 3006 for preference and don’t seem to spend quite as much time looking for well shot, dead deer as I did with the .243.
If you compare these cartridges with bullets of an equal sectional density and same profile you will see that the differences in drop out to 300 yards isn’t very different; certainly not so different as you be able to point and shoot with cartridge but not the other.
If the target is far enough away that you are now allowing for drop and wind, the precise number doesn’t matter very much as you compensate for whatever it is and it takes no more time to wind in seven clicks than six, for example.
then consider that the a well loaded 308 has as much energy at 150-200 yards as the .243 does at the muzzle.
I personally shoot a 3006 but have a .243 and have tried most the cartridges in between on deer; I take the 3006 for preference and don’t seem to spend quite as much time looking for well shot, dead deer as I did with the .243.
50gr vmax and others would be legal but probably not ideal. >70 gr traditional or soft points or lead free or ballistic tips designed for deer would be better.
Yes a moderator will reduce recoil by 30-40%.
50 gr v-max in .243? Doesn’t exist
Difference in drop between 95 gr SST verses 165 gr NBT is about an inch at 300 yards, better than most people’s field shooting. Retained energy is nearly double.
I know which one I’d choose
Apologies, 58gr!
There ya go
nosler do a 55 gr, that’s about as light as you’ll get unless someone brings out a 50 gr lead free.
Mr @Grandhubert uses them (v-max) on fox and they are messy
alberta boy
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Yeah . A 45/70 can be a bit " lobbish " , the 308 shoots fairly flat within usual hunting distances .
AB
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