Copper bullets.
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deerwarden
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Copper bullets
Just returned from KwaZulu-Natal, this year I used my 270, a rifle I use every week, and Barnes TSX 150gn, I took7 animals including 2 wilderbeast and 3 large warthos all with one shot kills. All bullets exited and were never found. One hog was hit behind shoulder without hitting much bone and ran 200yds with little blood trail, but was hit in top of heart and lungs. However all three hogs only showed blood at strike point and lots of blood where they fell. These bullets are very accurate, and like to be driven fast. The other animals were hit through shouders and bullets just plowed thro both and exited. With pound strong against doller last year I bought from states very cheaply. One day lead will be banned fron shooting animals that go into food chain, this has happened on the continent already, so non lead will one day be the only option. I have some tipped triple shock 130gn to try on deer, there are reports of Barnes penciling thro without expanding if the hollow points fill up with rubbish etc, however all mine had 2 to 3 times the diameter exit holes. I like them and would use them again on dangerous animals.
deerwarden
Just returned from KwaZulu-Natal, this year I used my 270, a rifle I use every week, and Barnes TSX 150gn, I took7 animals including 2 wilderbeast and 3 large warthos all with one shot kills. All bullets exited and were never found. One hog was hit behind shoulder without hitting much bone and ran 200yds with little blood trail, but was hit in top of heart and lungs. However all three hogs only showed blood at strike point and lots of blood where they fell. These bullets are very accurate, and like to be driven fast. The other animals were hit through shouders and bullets just plowed thro both and exited. With pound strong against doller last year I bought from states very cheaply. One day lead will be banned fron shooting animals that go into food chain, this has happened on the continent already, so non lead will one day be the only option. I have some tipped triple shock 130gn to try on deer, there are reports of Barnes penciling thro without expanding if the hollow points fill up with rubbish etc, however all mine had 2 to 3 times the diameter exit holes. I like them and would use them again on dangerous animals.
deerwardenNot tried GS Bullets myself, but they look interesting.
Iwrch said:Cheers Basil! Shall we begin by cutting and pasting MarkH's original post and replies from Ballistics & Tech Data?
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Slate Mark H all you like , but he does know what he is talking about as do others from just their own experiences and extensive testing of such bullets
and opinions do vary
try a few for yourself and let us know how you get on
i for one will be interested in the results
ATB
My apologies Stone but I suspect you may have misinterpreted my post.
I, like MarkH, am a big fan of monos and have posted elsewhere on this forum in their favour. My comments were not meant to be derogatory, simply that Mark's original post attracted that much comment I felt that everybody might wish to give the subject a rest for a while!
The truth of it is that I haven't bought a lead round in over two years, simply because the Sako .308 loading of the Barnes TSX which I use does everything I want from a high velocity bullet. I recently posted some pictures to illustrate my findings.
Anyhow, this thread is clearly up and running so can anybody report on the Winchester/Nosler E-tip?
I, like MarkH, am a big fan of monos and have posted elsewhere on this forum in their favour. My comments were not meant to be derogatory, simply that Mark's original post attracted that much comment I felt that everybody might wish to give the subject a rest for a while!
The truth of it is that I haven't bought a lead round in over two years, simply because the Sako .308 loading of the Barnes TSX which I use does everything I want from a high velocity bullet. I recently posted some pictures to illustrate my findings.
Anyhow, this thread is clearly up and running so can anybody report on the Winchester/Nosler E-tip?
copper bullets
Civilian use of Mono metal bullets is not permitted on MOD ranges at present.
Civilian use of Mono metal bullets is not permitted on MOD ranges at present.
Hi Griff,
Forgive me but I can't decide whether you ask these questions in the rhetorical sense, implying an inadequacy on the part of copper rounds, or simply a request for knowledge. Assuming the latter -
1. Apologies, but I don't know, I only shoot .308 factory loads. If not, then so be it. Clearly an inappropriate and illegal load which should not (could not!) be used on deer.
2. see Steven's reply and alsoa response elsewhere.
3. see the response on another forum
4. The FC have not objected to my using them in .308.
Forgive me but I can't decide whether you ask these questions in the rhetorical sense, implying an inadequacy on the part of copper rounds, or simply a request for knowledge. Assuming the latter -
1. Apologies, but I don't know, I only shoot .308 factory loads. If not, then so be it. Clearly an inappropriate and illegal load which should not (could not!) be used on deer.
2. see Steven's reply and alsoa response elsewhere.
3. see the response on another forum
4. The FC have not objected to my using them in .308.
Stand Buck
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griff said:
1 Dont know.
2 NO
3 Dont Know
4 No due to the damage they cause to living trees and the damage to cutting machinery when harvested.
Not implying anything!
Just trying to get my head around what is going to become the inevitable!
The total ban of lead bullets and the use of mono-metal bullets only, just becuase of the rantings of a few!
Current deer legislation is going to have to change, regarding bullet weights.
I have had experience of copper bullets, they were inaccurate although I believe that the new ones like gs and Tsx's are better..
What will be the situation with all the calibres that are unable to acheive bullet weight because of the length to weight ratio of copper..
The B.C of Barnes is absolute rubbish and would be useless for long range..
Also they only list an 85gn for the 243..
So unlees the powers that be change the law on bullet weight or major manufacturers find a way of increasing the weight of copper bullets so that they will fit into a short action, then there is going to be a lot of 243's on the market..
I suppose you will still be able to shoot vermin with frangible bullets of some descritpion but how long will that last..
Yet another attack from a minority group..
regards
griff
Just trying to get my head around what is going to become the inevitable!
The total ban of lead bullets and the use of mono-metal bullets only, just becuase of the rantings of a few!
Current deer legislation is going to have to change, regarding bullet weights.
I have had experience of copper bullets, they were inaccurate although I believe that the new ones like gs and Tsx's are better..
What will be the situation with all the calibres that are unable to acheive bullet weight because of the length to weight ratio of copper..
The B.C of Barnes is absolute rubbish and would be useless for long range..
Also they only list an 85gn for the 243..
So unlees the powers that be change the law on bullet weight or major manufacturers find a way of increasing the weight of copper bullets so that they will fit into a short action, then there is going to be a lot of 243's on the market..
I suppose you will still be able to shoot vermin with frangible bullets of some descritpion but how long will that last..
Yet another attack from a minority group..
regards
griff
Stone
I'm sorry, it's been a long day, but I just can't resist it:
How big is "enough" for a 160 yard head shot?
willie_gunn
I'm sorry, it's been a long day, but I just can't resist it:
How big is "enough" for a 160 yard head shot?
willie_gunn
When your in a 2000 acre plantation what else is there for a back stop?
Don't forget these mono-metal bullets don't fragment and go sailing through most deer,even the toughest ones.
So trees are quite welcome as a back stop..
Bullets do the craziest of things,I did mange to shoot two falllow with one shot(twoofer)first one from a high seat shooting down only to see a second one 300yds away also fall over..
So any bullet that is akin to the 22rf in that it richocet's at the slightest opportunity,holds 95%-100%bwr because of its makeup, increases the chance of you having your ticket revoked because your mono-metal bullet has just clattered down someones slate roof and landed in their garden several miles away, no thanks, I don't care how good they are!
There will be areas where they are perfectly safe to use and that is your perogative, but I don't want to lie in bed at night wondering where that 140gn bullet went zinging off too.
regards
griff
"Copper Beech" nice one
Don't forget these mono-metal bullets don't fragment and go sailing through most deer,even the toughest ones.
So trees are quite welcome as a back stop..
Bullets do the craziest of things,I did mange to shoot two falllow with one shot(twoofer)first one from a high seat shooting down only to see a second one 300yds away also fall over..
So any bullet that is akin to the 22rf in that it richocet's at the slightest opportunity,holds 95%-100%bwr because of its makeup, increases the chance of you having your ticket revoked because your mono-metal bullet has just clattered down someones slate roof and landed in their garden several miles away, no thanks, I don't care how good they are!
There will be areas where they are perfectly safe to use and that is your perogative, but I don't want to lie in bed at night wondering where that 140gn bullet went zinging off too.
regards
griff
"Copper Beech" nice one
griff said:
Surely your not suggesting you go against all best practice guides that recommend you have an earth backstop?
In a 2000 are plantation you would surely have had a deer management plan that meant deer glades high seats etc? I am not saying you would not foot stalk or dare i say it now that its legal drive bye shoots from the landrover but you would still be looking for a good back stop? I am more than happy to use a TSX in any location but I would always make sure I have a good back stop no matter what bullet and round combination i use.
Iwrch,
All I am prepared to tell you is that it was a 140gn bullet and it was recovered intact under the skin opposite the entry wound on the second deer.
I am not decrying the mono-metal bullet at all, its all down to personal preference.There are situations where you need a lightly built bullet or a bullet with little velocity but extra weight(rifled slug etc).
But it is your choice!
All I have pointed out is the problems that will arise if this legislation goes through..
Deer-Man,
I just wrote a lengthy reply but just deleted it! It seemed pointless to waste my time to try and point out "reality"combined with safety.
Best practice guide has improved deer stalking no end, and that is all I am prepared to say on the matter..
regards
griff
All I am prepared to tell you is that it was a 140gn bullet and it was recovered intact under the skin opposite the entry wound on the second deer.
I am not decrying the mono-metal bullet at all, its all down to personal preference.There are situations where you need a lightly built bullet or a bullet with little velocity but extra weight(rifled slug etc).
But it is your choice!
All I have pointed out is the problems that will arise if this legislation goes through..
Deer-Man,
I just wrote a lengthy reply but just deleted it! It seemed pointless to waste my time to try and point out "reality"combined with safety.
Best practice guide has improved deer stalking no end, and that is all I am prepared to say on the matter..
regards
griff
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