Cow shooting!

[nun_hunter]

bet you it was FMJ's too.

apart from training (FMJs are slightly cheaper) all rounds are soft or hollow point in an attempt not to injure someone standing behind (or at an angle) but from evidence even soft points still over penetrate on a high number of police shootings, possibly because most shootings are less than 40m-50m

 

[long_range_rob]

Barbie round a Lincolnshire police headquarters this weekend?

 

[Wingy]

Don't think it differs too much but Manchester armed response carry
Glock 17 - 9mm
H&K G36 - 556 routine

For HDOA weapon of choice is
AI rifle - 762
Rifle - 458. or
Shotgun 12g rifle slug

However if it is a time critical emergency then the 9mm or 556 would be used. nothing usually gets done before the RSPCA have been asked to deal and either can't or refuse

 

[long_range_rob]

Don't think it differs too much but Manchester armed response carry
Glock 17 - 9mm
H&K G36 - 556 routine

For HDOA weapon of choice is
AI rifle - 762
Rifle - 458. or
Shotgun 12g rifle slug

However if it is a time critical emergency then the 9mm or 556 would be used. nothing usually gets done before the RSPCA have been asked to deal and either can't or refuse

I'd pay good money to watch the RSPCA try and lasoo an uppety moo with one of their catch sticks!

 

[Klenchblaize]

I'm sure the RSPCA would have specified use of a 243 with an expanding projectile of no less than 100 grains!

 

[stav]

a bull escaped from our local butchers last year and ended up at a local infant/jnr school, where the police dispatched it with 10 yes 10 shot's all hits, think they used glock's,
will try and find a link.
stav

ed on Thursday 19 April 2012 09:00
A BULL had to be shot dead outside a Sheffield primary school after escaping on its way to a slaughterhouse.
Worried parents raced to Fox Hill School when gunfire was heard in the school yard.
Joeli Harris, aged 36, whose seven-year-old daughter Ruby goes to the school, rushed there after hearing gunfire.
South Yorkshire Police sent armed police as a precaution when they were alerted to the escaped bull.
They were forced to open fire when the farmer taking the bull to the slaughterhouse was unable to recapture it.
Witnesses said the bull was running around near Fox Hill School and was killed close to the door to the nursery unit.
Miss Harris said: “Me and my friend ran to the school - we heard about 10 shots coming from that direction and I was concerned because my daughter goes there.
“We had heard there was a bull on the loose and as we were leaving the house we heard the sound of gunfire and just ran.
“I would say we heard about 10 shots in total and when we got on to Keats Road, where the school is, we saw armed police walking up the school drive putting their guns away.
“We could see the dead bull on the ground just a couple of metres away from the door to the nursery. All that was running through my mind was that I hoped nobody had been hurt and that the children had not seen it all happening.
“We were told the children had all been taken into the school hall together where it was really noisy, so they had not seen or heard anything, which was a relief.”
Executive head teacher Nicola Shipman said: “I would like to assure parents that no children or staff were harmed at all in this incident. No children or staff witnessed the incident and children were not even aware of the situation.
“The incident took place outside the locked school gates and away from the children’s playground areas. All children were inside the buildings and were unaware of anything untoward.
“The school lessons were not affected and school has remained in normal operation.”



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[philgled]

Coppers round our way had to shoot a pikey's horse that had gotten loose from its roadside tether. Took them 18 shots before they dropped it. Made the headlines of the local paper where several residents commented that plod didn't seem to have a clue what they were doing. A mate of mine who works right next to where the nag was loose offered to nobble it for them (he's an extremely experienced stalker) but was told 'leave it to us son, we're the experts!'. I think if there was some kind of armed stand-off and these boys turned up I'd take my chances and get my own rifle out of the cabinet!

‘Lessons should be learned’ from A1079 horse shooting incident From York Press)

 

[bewsher500]

from reading the article and looking at the picture I can't see where it said it was a .223 or was chest shot? It did however say the police liased with the RSPCA prior to shooting.

Someone above said it was .223
If it wasn't and turned out to be a rifle of bigger calibre than that makes it even worse!!

As for chest shot. I know cows are hard but even a poorly placed couple of shots to the head would knock it down, again, if they did actually take 5 head shots with any calibre and failed to knock it down or incapacitate enough for a very close coup de grace then it also just makes it worse!

apart from training (FMJs are slightly cheaper) all rounds are soft or hollow point in an attempt not to injure someone standing behind (or at an angle) but from evidence even soft points still over penetrate on a high number of police shootings, possibly because most shootings are less than 40m-50m

Given that ARU are mostly trained to shoot people how do they get to use expanding projectile when the miltary with the same quarry are confined to FMJ by the Hague Conventions?
maybe they should use VMax!!
or they could of course learn to shoot .........


An FMJ to the nogiin would do fine especially since cattle have been killed for decades with the captive bolt version!

 

[FGYT]

i know hants have 338 lapua magnum avalible incase of escapes from marwell zoo

and after alot of trying the armed response and tactical teams got stopped from doing some stalking to get some exp on live targets for PC reasons

guess shot placment could be limited by safe back stops etc and they do shoot Cof Mass probably not trained on animal vitals Humans dontrun far wih a chest shot from a rifle

ATB

​Duncan

 

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[Claret_Dabbler]

All that training and sexy gear. You have to let the poor boys kill something occasionally. Relieve all that macho angst...

 

[Dalua]

Given that ARU are mostly trained to shoot people how do they get to use expanding projectile when the miltary with the same quarry are confined to FMJ by the Hague Conventions?

I think this is because the Hague Convention restricts the armed forces of signatory nations when a state of war exists between them. A proper war, that is: not a 'war on terror', a 'war on drugs' or a 'war on antisocial behaviour' etc, etc.

 

[Alan413]

To put a cow down I use a 243. Between the eyes. 1 shot. Job done.

Grayshill use a bolt gun. It takes .22

 

[Cut+Squirt]

As ever the Stalking Directory 'arm chair assassins' could have done it better . . . shot it with a single slug, or maybe a .223 . . outside chance it was a .308 with FMJ . . . the fact of the matter is . . . you wernt there, it could have been a bolt of spunk they shot it with for all you know !!!

As usual old Bill are damned if they do damned if they don't !!!

 

[Paul at Fechan]

a 'war on antisocial behaviour' etc, etc.

Expanding ammo to control anti-social behaviour.... like it

 

[Leon]

As ever the Stalking Directory 'arm chair assassins' could have done it better . . . shot it with a single slug, or maybe a .223 . . outside chance it was a .308 with FMJ . . . the fact of the matter is . . . you wernt there, it could have been a bolt of spunk they shot it with for all you know !!!

As usual old Bill are damned if they do damned if they don't !!!

What would happen if you put a bullet through someone's window??? Read my link, this officer is still strolling round carrying a firearm as his day job. Damned if they do damned if they don't - how about rules for them and rules for us!

 

[Alan413]

As ever the Stalking Directory 'arm chair assassins' could have done it better . . . shot it with a single slug, or maybe a .223 . . outside chance it was a .308 with FMJ . . . the fact of the matter is . . . you wernt there, it could have been a bolt of spunk they shot it with for all you know !!!

As usual old Bill are damned if they do damned if they don't !!!

Sorry but are you having a go at me with this comment.
If so. My post was nothing but the truth I live and work on the farm.

​If not. My bad

 

[nun_hunter]

A FMJ used by the military isn't designed for a "humane kill" the idea is to wound and tie up resources looking after the wounded soldier and the one behind him when the round passes through. The police are using lethal force to stop a threat so want (as much as is reasonably possible) the round to dump as much energy and not pose too great a risk to other people not posing a threat.

The point I was making about the .223 and chest shooting is that making statements about someones shooting ability and equipment based on what someone who wasn't there had typed maybe isn't the best comment to make.

 

[Cut+Squirt]

Sorry but are you having a go at me with this comment.
If so. My post was nothing but the truth I live and work on the farm.

​If not. My bad

No, i'm not having a go at you or indeed anyone else . . .

I'm simply making the point that like other similar thread no one really knows what happened, but most are keen to give an ill-informed opinion . . . . which generally concludes with an insinuation that they could have done better with Great Uncle Berts 1st world war stab chapper which claimed 100 men and could surely have dealt with a peeved coo !!!

 

[Alan413]

No, i'm not having a go at you or indeed anyone else . . .

I'm simply making the point that like other similar thread no one really knows what happened, but most are keen to give an ill-informed opinion . . . . which generally concludes with an insinuation that they could have done better with Great Uncle Berts 1st world war stab chapper which claimed 100 men and could surely have dealt with a peeved coo !!!

Got you now. I know where you are coming from.
Cheers
alan