Cow's Milk

EMcC

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I recently had some milk delivered to me that was Filtered.
It was more expensive than full fat milk and tasted just the same.
Can someone tell me why I should pay more for something that is not there and does anybody know exactly what was filtered out.
As a young lad when hand milking I have drank milk direct from the cow many times and never found anything to spit out so cannot think of anything that needs filtering from it.
Does anybody have the answer ?
 
Yes the CO-OPs are mandating milk prices via changes in regulations as an excuse and charging a “premium” to idiots willing to buy it because they have been spoon fed some narrative that it is in some way better either for the environment or cleaner production! I think iirc the filtered brand supposedly has more protein and less sugar or something like that at a macro level which is negligible for your average joe.

Not calling you an idiot btw as you clearly no where milk comes from but some of the consumers wouldn’t know one end of the cow from the other.
 
I think it takes out any small (minute)amounts of crud that it has picked up in its travels from cow to packaging. Our experience of it is it is a bit pricier but it has a longer shelf life in the fridge so useful to stash some in the fridge for your cuppa on return from a long weekend or something.

David.
 
Just sounds like another way of parting gullible people from their money. Milk is filtered anyway, to remove impurities. It doesn't even get more than a few yards from the cow before it goes through a filter.
 
Just sounds like another way of parting gullible people from their money. Milk is filtered anyway, to remove impurities. It doesn't even get more than a few yards from the cow before it goes through a filter.
No, it is genuinely filtered to a much finer level than is standard. Fine enough to trap bacteria, not just the grosser things which are all that an ordinary milking machine catches. Reducing contamination to a low level. Resulting in a much longer shelf life, at least three weeks. Actually I once accidentally kept a bottle for two months and it was still fresh. It also lasts much better than ordinary milk if you don't have a fridge, e.g. for camping trips.

I find it a very useful product, far superior to UHT milk, and saves wastage if e.g. only using small quantities. Its also good for fermenting, e.g. yoghurt, using a starter culture. rather than whatever bacteria and moulds are present in normal milk. Less chance of it souring.

Cravendale is the original brand, but some supermarkets have their own versions as well.

Cravendale

We finely filter our milk through ceramic filters. This makes Cravendale stay fresh for up to 3 weeks unopened & 7 days when open, so you can enjoy milky goodness all week long.

Take a look at our very serious video on how we make Arla Cravendale, which contrary to some reports is absolutely, definitely 100% fresh milk that’s filtered for purity.
We don’t add anything to Cravendale, no additives, no preservatives and no UHT treatment. It’s simply filtered to remove impurities whilst keeping in all the milky good stuff.

Can someone tell me why I should pay more for something that is not there and does anybody know exactly what was filtered out.
Probably mostly lactobaccili, (the ones that sour milk and are present in all of it) but also things like listeria, should they be present. Pasteurisation isn't a 100% effective process, for that it has to be UHT which definitely alters the taste.
As a young lad when hand milking I have drank milk direct from the cow many times and never found anything to spit out so cannot think of anything that needs filtering from it.
Raw milk is regarded as a risky thing to be drinking, it is pretty much only available from the farm. The rules about it are very strict. I liked it very much when I bought it from a Cornish farm when on holiday there. Deliciously creamy, a lot of their output was used for making clotted cream.

Raw drinking milk

Raw drinking milk may come from:

cows
sheep
goats
buffaloes
horses

We advise that raw or unpasteurised milk and cream may contain harmful bacteria that can cause food poisoning. People with a weaker immune system are particularly vulnerable to food poisoning and should not consume it.

The sale of raw drinking milk is legal in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. It can only be sold directly to the consumer by:


  • registered milk production farms at the farm gate or farmhouse catering operation
  • farmers at registered farmers’ markets
  • distributors using a vehicle as a shop such as a milk round
  • direct online sales
  • vending machines at the farm
It’s illegal to sell raw milk in any other setting.

Sales of raw milk and cream are completely banned in Scotland.
 
Milk these days has very little, if any, chance of crud getting in to the milk.
It goes from the cow via milk machines straight to a tank via steel pipes being cooled all the way.
Milk does not get exposed to the air at any of the stages getting it from the cow's teat to the bulk tank.
As I said, when hand milking I often gave the odd squirt or two straight from the teat to my mouth and didn't find any scrunchy bits.
 
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Yes the CO-OPs are mandating milk prices via changes in regulations as an excuse and charging a “premium” to idiots willing to buy it because they have been spoon fed some narrative that it is in some way better either for the environment or cleaner production! I think iirc the filtered brand supposedly has more protein and less sugar or something like that at a macro level which is negligible for your average joe.

Not calling you an idiot btw as you clearly no where milk comes from but some of the consumers wouldn’t know one end of the cow from the other.
Complete nonsense.
 
As above - also Id imagine its Farm to you, cutting out the middle man? Nunton Dairy just south of Odstock do some fantastic Milk which is pasteurised but they sell it from venting machines one in Downton, Odstock and Salisbury Rugby club. More expensive than supermarket milk but you know where its come from. As a nation in the 80's with quotas we became importers of milk and still are today, so there's every possibility the milk in your tea has come through the tunnel from somewhere in Europe or further. I'm much happier paying a little more and supporting the local dairy.
 
I’ve got round this milk going off issue now.
What happens at mine is a cheery man in a white coat delivers me a small quantity in returnable glass bottles every other day.

It comes from their own cows down the road, and is pasteurised but not homogenised, so you can still have the cream on your cornflakes.

He calls himself a “milk man” it’s a pretty novel idea of his, delivering fresh milk, on demand in recyclable / reusable bottles.

I just hope his idea catches on……
 
I’ve got round this milk going off issue now.
What happens at mine is a cheery man in a white coat delivers me a small quantity in returnable glass bottles every other day.

It comes from their own cows down the road, and is pasteurised but not homogenised, so you can still have the cream on your cornflakes.

He calls himself a “milk man” it’s a pretty novel idea of his, delivering fresh milk, on demand in recyclable / reusable bottles.

I just hope his idea catches on……
The only way I see this catching on is if they start using electric vehicles to deliver the milk...
 
Milk doesn’t taste the same unless there are a few gnats and mozzies floating in it…… Hand milking house cow and goats (straight into cornflakes as kids - those were the days)
A gimmick that fools the stupid although shotgun cartridges at one time had a similar bs marketing - “Turbo’ or 12i - ‘injection’ printed all over them
 
marketing, pure and simple. Take a pure and simple product, alter it, give it a fancy name so people think its something special and charge through the nose
 
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Milk these days has very little, if any, chance of crud getting in to the milk.
It goes from the cow via milk machines straight to a tank via steel pipes being cooled all the way.
Milk does not get exposed to the air at any of the stages getting it from the cow's teat to the bulk tank.
As I said, when hand milking I often gave the odd squirt or two straight from the teat to my mouth and didn't find any scrunchy bits.

As VSS says, it gets filtered. A relatively coarse filter, not the microfilters that e.g. Cravendale use. To trap gunge, such as from mastitis, . Just because you used to drink it from the teat and didn't have a problem doesn't mean that is OK for something to be sold.

A quick Google didn't turn up anything UK specific, but here are the rules in Canada for example:


The importance of milk filters on any dairy farm can easily be overlooked, yet they provide some significant benefits by helping to:

  • provide high quality milk to dairy processors;
  • identify mastitis and other udder health problems;
  • identify insufficient bedding or an unclean environment;
  • and ensure plate coolers remain clean, free of debris and functional
Filtering milk is also a requirement under the regulations. Section 5.(2) of Regulation 761 under the Milk Act (Ontario) states that no producer shall sell or offer for sale milk that has not been filtered by means of a single-service filter or a stainless steel mesh-type filter approved by the Director. The purpose of filtration is to separate any solid particles suspended in the milk before it reaches the bulk tank.

Milk filter pore size ranges from 100 to 250 micrometres while bacteria are much smaller - typically 1 to 10 micrometers. Particles that are larger than the pore size (such as straw, hair, flakes, clots or insects) are caught on the filter preventing them from entering the bulk tank.

Milk filters should be installed only on the discharge side of the milk pump; usually in the pipeline between the milk pump and the bulk tank. In systems with plate coolers, the milk filter is always located before the plate cooler to ensure the milk is warm when filtering. Warm milk (36° to 38°C range) can be filtered easily whereas cold milk will block disposable filters.


The sort of microfiltration that e.g. Cravendale are doing is far finer, Fine enough to trap bacteria and spores. Here's how Tetrapak describe their membrane systems. Cravendale are using something different, a ceramic system.

Filtration processes for dairy process

Microfiltration uses the most open type of membrane, which is used to separate bacteria, spores, and fat globules from the stream, and for fractionation of skim milk.

As above - also Id imagine its Farm to you, cutting out the middle man? Nunton Dairy just south of Odstock do some fantastic Milk which is pasteurised but they sell it from venting machines one in Downton, Odstock and Salisbury Rugby club. More expensive than supermarket milk but you know where its come from.
Yes, exactly that. Camping at Treen, I'd just walk to the farm shop (wooden hut) in the village and buy a couple of bottles. Had to get there early though, it was always sold out by the afternoon, They also did excellent fruit, veg, eggs (the eggs probably the best I've ever found) and sandwiches. You had to return the empty bottle, otherwise they charged a deposit ISTR £1.

What happens at mine is a cheery man in a white coat delivers me a small quantity in returnable glass bottles every other day.
Used to have the same here, until Tesco built a huge "Express" a few hundred yards away so business dropped off. I kept going with him on principle, until he packed it in.
 
I think I'll stick with what I know and trust - milk straight from the cow, no filter at all. But then, I don't have to worry about shelf life: The milk doesn't sit around for long enough for any nasties to multiply. Whatever isn't used straight away, or made into ice-cream, butter, yoghurt etc, gets fed to the pigs, and I just go get the cows up to the dairy for a fresh supply every morning!
Some of life's little luxuries are worth suffering for 😀😀😀
 
I used to go shooting in Shropshire when the ex-Father in law was alive and call into the parlour to see him on a morning. A fresh glass of milk out of the bulk tank was lovely and refreshing, not quite cold yet and full of goodness, sorry badness :rolleyes:

Another victory for the marketing people..........

At this rate in future nobody will ever die of anything 🤔

So, how does one acquire an improved immune system in the modern world?
Have you ever heard of the 2 second rule with kids, never harmed me but then maybe my constituition is old school.
 
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