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[samIOW]

Hi,

I have heard two different answers to my question from friends?

So I'll put it to you kind souls.

Say you have two properties and you have gun cabinets in both, would you be legally allowed to keep gun at either address, or could you lose your licence?

I assumed that if the persons owned both addresses that it was ok and nothing wrong?

 

[MackayRSA]

When I asked a similar question I was told that it depended on how much time I spent at each address. They didn't want a house containing a firearm left uninhabited for long periods. But who knows! Ask your FLO

 

[samIOW]

When I asked a similar question I was told that it depended on how much time I spent at each address. They didn't want a house containing a firearm left uninhabited for long periods. But who knows! Ask your FLO

Sounds reasonable, But say you took all your guns with you as there is
sufficient space in the cabinets at each address.

 

[zambezi]

The 2005 Firearms Security Handbook talks around the subject of firearm storage [section 2 pertains to private ownership] but ultimately appeals to a common sense interpretation of the 1968 Firearms Act in the light of any known risk factors where the firearms are to be kept.

However, there is specific reference in 2.5 against the use of unoccupied buildings [see below]. That seems to be referring to buildings situate on a property whose dwelling is occupied. But the same handbook declares that club house security needs to be at least at parity with that used in the home. Clearly, club houses are not occupied. So there must be circumstances in which a second home firearm storage solution is acceptable. If I wanted to pitch that idea to my FLO, I would first deploy the following:

(1) Ensure holiday home has appearance of occupation [security lighting, etc]
(2) Assure frequent owner checking
(3) Install superior cabinet/vault arrangement
(4) install remote intruder alarm [i.e. a unit that calls you/police if triggered]

 

[samIOW]

Thanks for all your help, the other thing is the second property has CCTV which should make a lot more secure.

 

[Swedish]

If you're transporting your firearms with you when you travel to each property I can see the issue.

 

[potshotpat]

Is it not guns/firearms to be kept at your main residence.?

 

[Mossypaw]

What address did you put on your application/renewal ? That will be the home address, don’t think you can leave at the other address if your not in residence.

 

[kes]

You need to identify where they are stored for the FAC (taken as home address) as above (potshotpat) but if thats not a problem for your FEO - fine.

 

[willyroe]

It’s quite simple. Your obliged for many agencies to have a main address. So that is your main address (home).

If your away at a holiday home, the guns are your reposnsibility.

1) leave your guns at home (registered address). Standard stuff.

2) Take them with you, let’s say your up at a holiday home in Scotland for a month and doing some stalking. It your responsibility. Clearly more that a few nights means an additional safe is a very good idea. But don’t let an additional safe or holiday home distract you from the basics.

3) clearly you cannot leave you guns up at the holiday home (which I think is what you are asking).

Hope this helps.

W

 

[zambezi]

What address did you put on your application/renewal ? That will be the home address...

If you are lucky enough to own two homes, you might register some at one address and others at the second. [Purdeys and Rigby at the Highlands cottage, Krieghoff and Chapuis at the Surrey pied-a-terre?]

Joshing aside, I cannot see why the same firearm cannot be registered at two addresses. Certainly two persons can both have same firearm appearing on their respective FACs, and there is no requirement [AFAIK] that they cohabit. Ergo, a firearm could reasonably be at two addresses, as this situation surely already exists. The only question is building occupancy and the Security handbook describes unmanned facilities...

 

[kes]

If you are lucky enough to own two homes, you might register some at one address and others at the second. [Purdeys and Rigby at the Highlands cottage, Krieghoff and Chapuis at the Surrey pied-a-terre?]

Joshing aside, I cannot see why the same firearm cannot be registered at two addresses. Certainly two persons can both have same firearm appearing on their respective FACs, and there is no requirement [AFAIK] that they cohabit. Ergo, a firearm have reason for bring at two addresses surely already exists. The only question is building occupancy and the Security handbook describes unmanned facilities...

I think its a matter of where the police can find them if they need to in a hurry, but the FEO will explain I am sure.

 

[Hanechdene]

I enter two addresses every time I renewal my certificates however only one appears on my certificates

 

[bogtrotter]

Different scenario, but my rifles are on both my and my Grandsons tickets and we live a hundred miles apart, may be stored at either address .

 

[kes]

In Cheshire, the FEO asked at which address (given more than one) was the rifle in question most likely to be stored - a partial solution to recovery if required.

 

[Swedish]

If you're transporting your firearms with you when you travel to each property I can see the issue.

Sorry this is meant to say "Can't see the issue"

 

[willyroe]

If you are lucky enough to own two homes, you might register some at one address and others at the second. [Purdeys and Rigby at the Highlands cottage, Krieghoff and Chapuis at the Surrey pied-a-terre?]

Joshing aside, I cannot see why the same firearm cannot be registered at two addresses. Certainly two persons can both have same firearm appearing on their respective FACs, and there is no requirement [AFAIK] that they cohabit. Ergo, a firearm could reasonably be at two addresses, as this situation surely already exists. The only question is building occupancy and the Security handbook describes unmanned facilities...

Yes I know 2 people can have the same rifle on their FAC and perhaps one person lives elsewhere (for example, father and son and son lives away but guns sty at the family home)..... but,

1) someone lives at that home (security)

And

2) the police roughly want to know where things are kept?

 

[zambezi]

2) the police roughly want to know where things are kept?

Not sure what you are trying to flag here. Re-read Hanechdene's post in #13: He supplies both addresses to the FLO. They elect to print one of them on the FAC. But that does not mean they are ignorant of the second address, surely? So there is no rebuttal of the idea that a firearm could be in one of two locations.

 

[sh1kar]

Different scenario, but my rifles are on both my and my Grandsons tickets and we live a hundred miles apart, may be stored at either address .

I do the same, Mine and my 2 sons FACs and SGCs are mirror images of each other so any of us can use/travel/have access to the 14 firearms we have at any address Hants, Sussex and Yorkshire

S

 

[willyroe]

Not sure what you are trying to flag here. Re-read Hanechdene's post in #13: He supplies both addresses to the FLO. They elect to print one of them on the FAC. But that does not mean they are ignorant of the second address, surely? So there is no rebuttal of the idea that a firearm could be in one of two locations.

That’s the whole point - the police generally want to know where the guns are.