Does the urinator deserve

[finnbear270]

Thread going down slope.

 

[kenbro]

I respectfully disagree. The outrage and indignation that this offence caused (and I note your mitigation) warrant a sanction beyond that of an FPN.

The Courts - whilst not heeding the press (nor should they) cannot fail to notice (and take notice of) the temperature of the country - and in that, they have a duty to do so.

There’s been far worse done during these current demos. without any penalty for most law breakers!
The police have been standing watching while the law is broken countless times.
This guy was a soft target.
I’m not defending him in any way.
Ken.

 

[User00025]

Violating the national memorial to all our war dead is a grievous insult to the entire nature. Drunkenness, ignorance, stupidity is no defence. It's treason. Death penalty. Hang him.

I'll volunteer to pull the lever now Mr Pierrepoint is no longer with us.

Get to the end of the queue, that's my job, wait till I'm gone.

 

[User00025]

And yet you can't though can you because then you and your little special friend wouldn't be able to trawl what I post and have your tittering little digs could you .?

Another who would no doubt never repeat what they type in person.

As the man says. "Come on down".

 

[dartmoordog]

I am so impressed that no black person or BLM supporter urinated in a public place during all the protests we have had around the country. Now that is impressive, I take my hat off to them tbh, as a man of a certain age..........I could not have passed a single lampost.!

 

[kes]

It does matter.

A memorial is an object which serves as a focus for the memory or the commemoration of something, usually an influential, deceased person or a historical, tragic event.

PC Keith Palmer, GM was a British police officer who was posthumously awarded the George Medal, the second highest award for gallantry "not in the face of the enemy". Though unarmed, he stopped a knife-wielding terrorist from entering the Palace of Westminster during the 2017 Westminster attack; he died from wounds he received in this attack.

It does matter...

That's too touchy - I was saying it didn't matter which Police memorial it was not that Yvonne Fletcher or anyone else didnt matter, or any memorial come to that. Jumping to incorrect conclusions was precisely my point about armed Police officers and 'off-safe' firearms.

 

[Stalker62]

That's too touchy - I was saying it didn't matter which Police memorial it was not that Yvonne Fletcher or anyone else didnt matter, or any memorial come to that. Jumping to incorrect conclusions was precisely my point about armed Police officers and 'off-safe' firearms.

You clearly stated in your post in this thread that it did not matter which officer the memorial remembered. God knows there are enough of them.
I respectfully disagree.
It matters to me. I suspect it matters very much to Keith's family.

 

[kes]

It was obviously meant to say, as I said it, did not matter which Police memorial since all were the same, memorials, NOT that they were of no consequence.

You react too readily and neither this comment of yours (about Keith's family) nor the reaction are justifiable or correct.
I remember them all, including the other Keith - Blakelock.

 

[Hornet 6]

Should be told dont do it again, and the council should them apologise for shutting the toilets.
The world has gone mad, prosecuting a block for having a **** in the street, but not prosecuting the protesters.

Neil.

 

[Apthorpe]

Should be told dont do it again, and the council should them apologise for shutting the toilets.
The world has gone mad, prosecuting a block for having a **** in the street, but not prosecuting the protesters.

Neil.

Protesting is legal. Pis*ing in the street is illegal.

 

[Hornet 6]

Protesting is legal. Pis*ing in the street is illegal.

Councils have shut public toilets, what did they expect to happen.
As for protesting being legal, no its not, not when we are supposed to be in lockdown, and not when the protesters are destroying and defacing monuments.

Neil.

 

[Liveonce]

Protesting is legal. Pis*ing in the street is illegal.

Protesting may be legal outside a pandemic, but the police have issued fixed penalty notices for breaking lockdown rules and social distancing, is not public groups, crowds not banned under the public health restrictions at this time?
Then you have the thousands at raves again the majority have not been sanctioned. They look to have made an example of him 14days in prison, rather than a fine.

 

[Apthorpe]

Councils have shut public toilets, what did they expect to happen.
As for protesting being legal, no its not, not when we are supposed to be in lockdown, and not when the protesters are destroying and defacing monuments.

Neil.

Protesting is legal. Breaching public health laws isn't. Nor is vandalism, criminal damage or defacing memorials.

 

[Mickeydredd]

It is about a drunken idiot who came to London looking to "protect statues" although he was unable to articulate which statues. Who then urinated in a public place upside the memorial to a murdered Police Officer.

I completely understand your position, but wonder if I may ask your opinion on something.

This individual was given a 14 day sentence for outraging public decency for urinating next to a memorial (plaque) which leaves no lasting damage even if his water-based product did actually hit the plaque accidentally. . You can see clearly that he was being as discreet as possible in the photo and there was also clearly no intent to cause the outrage/offence he was convicted of.
The magistrate even said "The irony is rather than protecting the monuments, you almost urinated on one. That was more by luck than judgment."
A Met Police Commander said "While I note that Banks did not act with intent, I welcome the sentence handed down by the court for his thoughtless and distasteful behaviour."

So, if this guy was given 14 days then what sentence would you say that the BLM protesters should receive for actually deliberately defacing the memorials with paint etc? Please don't feel obliged to answer, I'm just curious for an "inside view" on how they will should be dealt with.

NB I do not in any way condone or defend his actions.

 

[Apthorpe]

Protesting may be legal outside a pandemic, but the police have issued fixed penalty notices for breaking lockdown rules and social distancing, is not public groups, crowds not banned under the public health restrictions at this time?
Then you have the thousands at raves again the majority have not been sanctioned. They look to have made an example of him 14days in prison, rather than a fine.

I would be entirely happy if all of the protesters of any variety had been tear-gassed, sprayed down with disinfectant and each slapped with a fine for breaching lockdown rules - and those found defacing memorials or assaulting policemen in prison for the longest term the law permits without early-release.

 

[Stalker62]

So, if this guy was given 14 days then what sentence would you say that the BLM protesters should receive for actually deliberately defacing the memorials with paint etc? Please don't feel obliged to answer, I'm just curious for an "inside view" on how they will should be dealt with.

I very much hope that the ongoing investigations, (that always follow riots or disorder) will bring to justice all of those that have committed offences. It is often not possible or wise to arrest suspects in the middle of a public order situation.

Whilst sentencing is a matter for the Courts, I would hope that they take into consideration intent and where there is "criminal intent" (and not drunken, badly made choices), they sentence accordingly.

 

[Mickeydredd]

I very much hope that in the ongoing investigations, (that always follow riots or disorder) will bring to justice all of those that have committed offences. It is often not possible or wise to arrest suspects in the middle of a public order situation.

Whilst sentencing is a matter for the Courts, I would hope that they take into consideration intent and where there is "criminal intent" and not drunken, badly made choices, sentence accordingly.

Thanks.
I'm just wondering what, where 14 days is the marker for having a slash in public, the level of sentencing will be laid down for physically defacing a statue, assaulting a police officer, animal cruelty, etc

 

[User00025]

For throwing bikes at police horses, assaulting police officers, mininmum 5years.
For defacing war memorial 10 years in Colchester.

 

[foxhunter]

He wouldnt have been jailed if he was gay , black , Muslim or trans ffs

 

[finnbear270]

I would be entirely happy if all of the protesters of any variety had been tear-gassed, sprayed down with disinfectant and each slapped with a fine for breaching lockdown rules - and those found defacing memorials or assaulting policemen in prison for the longest term the law permits without early-release.

I really like and agree with this one, although mixed in with the disinfectant, I would add a bright blue dye, with a half life of about two years.