Dan Newcombe
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Surely if you write to the firearms dept to tell them that your GP doesn’t like guns and won’t fill out the form then it becomes the police’s problem if they want the report.
Dr refused to complete medical form.
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enfieldspares
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I will wheel out my story again? Yes. Why not!
My GP Surgery also told me, when this came in, that "they had taken a practice decision not to take part in the process".
So eight months later I go and ask for a copy of my medical records so that I can get a third party to do the certification.
The practice manager then tells me that they "have had a meeting" about the matter.
"Yes," says I, "I know. You're not taking part in the process."
"Oh no, we are now," says he. "We'll now be signing them."
"How much?" I ask.
"£133." Is the answer
To which I reply "Well I am glad to see that you don't sell you virtue cheap."
My GP Surgery also told me, when this came in, that "they had taken a practice decision not to take part in the process".
So eight months later I go and ask for a copy of my medical records so that I can get a third party to do the certification.
The practice manager then tells me that they "have had a meeting" about the matter.
"Yes," says I, "I know. You're not taking part in the process."
"Oh no, we are now," says he. "We'll now be signing them."
"How much?" I ask.
"£133." Is the answer
To which I reply "Well I am glad to see that you don't sell you virtue cheap."
GPs are not mental heath experts, they only confirm if the applicant has any medical history of the relevant medical conditions.
You are required to provide a medical report based on your medical history and completed by your GP or suitably qualified medical doctor; detailing that none of any relevant medical conditions are current.
Relevant medical conditions which must be disclosed are:
- Acute Stress Reaction or an acute reaction to the stress caused by a trauma
- suicidal thoughts or self harm
- depression or anxiety
- dementia
- mania, bipolar disorder or a psychotic illness
- a personality disorder
- a neurological condition: for example, Multiple Sclerosis, Parkinson’s or Huntington’s diseases, or epilepsy
- alcohol or drug abuse
- any other mental or physical condition which might affect your safe possession of a firearm or shotgun
But of course having paid once and got the marker on your medical records that you own firearms then you never need to pay again.
No one expects them to be experts, they expect them to comment on their previous history to the best of their knowledge based on the files they have.
Exactly as Gixer1 has stated.. I’ll be up for my 2nd renewal since initial grant in December 2009, at the end of this year.. I’ve never had the need to engage with my GP in respect to obtaining a GP proforma completion. So I may have to ask much sooner and not wait until I actually need to complete my renewal. It would be helpful for me to know if as a practice they will participate in completing the required proforma.
Maybe a call to the main Medical Centre Group is needed sooner rather than later… my GP surgery was mergered into a group from what I understand it.. Been registered there since September 2001, and my daughter is registered there too..
I will be highlighting the same sentence as per the linked picture, although may ask for a chat beforehand.
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When does a comment become just an opinion if they are not experts? It is or was just a tick in box form for each relevant condition last time I looked based on your medical history.
Also worth stating, which is a slight contradiction on the actual proforma.. given in the instructions to the GP;
‘How to respond
Your response should be sent to the local police firearms licensing department by secured NHS email, or sent by post. Alternatively, please contact me so that I can collect it. If the response is given to me to supply to the police they may contact you to confirm the details.’
The on-line renewal process requires the completed proforma to be ‘uploaded with your photo as part of the application process
‘How to respond
Your response should be sent to the local police firearms licensing department by secured NHS email, or sent by post. Alternatively, please contact me so that I can collect it. If the response is given to me to supply to the police they may contact you to confirm the details.’
The on-line renewal process requires the completed proforma to be ‘uploaded with your photo as part of the application process
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It’s an opinion based on the file they hold on the person…I.e.- no mention of treatment for anxiety, depression or anything that will effect judgement when owning firearms.
They can only comment/give an opinion on the information they have - if, like some people, they have no visits/info then there is nothing there to cause any concern.
Exactly my thoughts too…
Stalker62
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@308tikka
Impossible to answer that question.
However.
Here is my plan.
All documents to be with the Sheriff's Department minimum of 8 weeks before expiry - so.
I will submit mine (through gritted teeth) online, and 10 weeks before expiry.
Two weeks before that date, I will have printed off the Medical Forms from the Police website, completed my details, and will take them by hand to the Surgery.
I will explain to the Manger that I will need these forms by the end of the week, and will be calling back to collect them then, in order to comply with my statutory obligation with Firearms legislation.
Collect the completed forms from the Surgery, scan them into the Police website, along with my latest "Tinder" profile photo...
and call it good.
What could possibly go wrong?
ColinJ
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How is this a police problem? They don’t ‘want’ the report. It’s part of your application. If you haven’t got it the police will simply refuse your application. That’s your problem.
ColinJ
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I struggle to understand the attitude of some GP’s. They aren’t being asked to recommend an application or to support firearms ownership. They are simply being asked to answer a small number of questions from the medical notes. For which they can charge what they like, because it isn’t NHS work.
If they refuse, whichever agency you use will contact them and they will have to provide a copy of the notes for free. So they do the same amount of work for no return.
If they refuse, whichever agency you use will contact them and they will have to provide a copy of the notes for free. So they do the same amount of work for no return.
ColinJ
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In Sussex it’s recommended to start 6 months before renewal.
baguio
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What several commenters on here clearly don't understand is that this isn't the Drs job. Their job is seeing NHS patients. Signing FACs and SGCs is a private job that they are capable of doing but quite within their rights to decline to do. No different to a car mechanic being asked to do a job for a friend at the weekend in their own time. They don't have to do it!
i have just started my firearms and shotgun renewal process with Thames valley online ,which was new to me so printed off the medical form took it to my doctors which is a village practice ,one day later got a txt message, your form is ready at a cost of £20 .picked it up all done no issues .i was fully expecting a fight .any way your mate gets his sorted
ColinJ
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They don’t have to do it. It isn’t an NHS responsibility.
But they do have to provide a copy of the medical notes to any GP that asks for them (iirc within 30 days).
So they end up spending the same amount of time dealing with the admin, but they can’t charge for it.
baguio
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As most medical notes are now on line I doubt that they personally have to do any work at all.
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