ColinJ
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That raises more questions than answers. Should we start a new thread asking why GP’s are taking so long to complete the forms?
Dr refused to complete medical form.
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Dan Newcombe
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It probably isn’t but if they want your GP to fill in a form and he refuses for no good reason then what are you meant to do?
Stalker62
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At the risk of flogging a dead horse.
The GP does not have to engage with this process.
Fine.
Go to an outside company (there are many) who will act on your behalf.
It's really not a drama.
Dan Newcombe
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I’ve never had a problem with it, always been a reasonable price and decent service
baguio
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Now wait for the thread from someone who isn't a BASC member asking for that list.
This is quite correct - all 43 Forces apply a six months validity to proforma.
The biggest issue is with the length of medical records.
For new grants, full life time ( or at least from age 10) are required.
For renewals, some Forces want >10 years, but a few (for example Surrey & Sussex) want >30 years of medical records, which can be a challenge, especially for applicants born outside the UK.
Muffin man
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That’s what my feo told me too
Plenty other private GP's will do it. Medcert are £60Now wait for the thread from someone who isn't a BASC member asking for that list.
That’s quite a joke really if they want it back from all that time when a FAC only lasts 5 years didn’t they read it properly 5 years ago, also what qualifications do they have to understand medical notes.
Stalker62
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@Dickie
Most Police Officers do not have any Medical qualifications.
However, some Police Officers can actually read and write...
The whole Medical process is to identify those who should not have (legal) access to firearms.
Your GP will (if they engage with the process) complete a very simple 'tick box'.
This form is submitted with your FAC/SGC documents to your FLD, who will huddle around it and collectively try to read the and understand the 'ticks'.
If any of those 'ticks' alerts the FLD collective, to a potential issue, then you will be required to have a specialised Medical professional, produce a full report on the issue/s raised. If you thought the initial fee was exorbitant, then hold onto your hat for a medical 'report.
This report is then added to you application, and (provided of course the FLD can read it) adds context to any issues raised by the GP in the 'tick box' form.
The FLD will then make there determination on all the facts at their disposal - and all done without (probably), anyone of them being Medically qualified.
FWIW
I could both read and write (I know!) and I was a Medially Qualified Police Officer, but that Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, is a whole other story...
My GP has a 28 day turn around on any forms they are asked to complete. Not just SGC and FAC but anything. £110 for the fee.
Worth noting that IF the FELU want an additional, specialist medical report, then in almost every case, they pay for it, and it is NOT charged back to the applicant.
Yes, the proforma is a tick box process, but they are looking for whether the GP has flagged any of the listed conditions, or used words such as anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, etc etc so a medical degree is not really required.
Yes, the proforma is a tick box process, but they are looking for whether the GP has flagged any of the listed conditions, or used words such as anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, etc etc so a medical degree is not really required.
The police do not get medical notes
They are not entitled to them
We had all this nonsense with HR Depts of multi nationals wanting 'Medical in Confidence' information
The Channel Tunnel Senior Management once demanded medical notes from our H & S and Occ Med Practice (A private company) saying
''We paid for your time so we own the content of the notes''
My dear old Dad - then a Senior Partner and a Member of the Faculty of Occ Med, referred it to the BMA
Senior Management were told in no uncertain terms that the medical notes would not be forthcoming as they did not belong to them
The scenario is complex as there were then (perhaps still are) various bits of legislation that appeared to be in conflict with one other
I've been out of that game for a while and might be out of date
However ...
As far as I'm aware it is the case that ...
You as an individual can request your notes
You can grant permission to another medical practitioner to receive them
If your GB will not provide a medical opinion on your suitability to possess an FAC because he doesn't approve in firearms ownership, then he really should refer you someone who will
Failing that - have your medical history forwarded to a private service - they, in turn, will require you to grant them access on your behalf
They will provide the police with a medical opinion - which is what they require
Our practice used to provide diving medicals, HGV medicals, as well as blood lead assessments and ionising radiation medicals
All the above require specific knowledge skill sets
Sadly the old man has passed away and the Occ Med element of the practice was folded
I have long since moved on to other things
They are not entitled to them
We had all this nonsense with HR Depts of multi nationals wanting 'Medical in Confidence' information
The Channel Tunnel Senior Management once demanded medical notes from our H & S and Occ Med Practice (A private company) saying
''We paid for your time so we own the content of the notes''
My dear old Dad - then a Senior Partner and a Member of the Faculty of Occ Med, referred it to the BMA
Senior Management were told in no uncertain terms that the medical notes would not be forthcoming as they did not belong to them
The scenario is complex as there were then (perhaps still are) various bits of legislation that appeared to be in conflict with one other
I've been out of that game for a while and might be out of date
However ...
As far as I'm aware it is the case that ...
You as an individual can request your notes
You can grant permission to another medical practitioner to receive them
If your GB will not provide a medical opinion on your suitability to possess an FAC because he doesn't approve in firearms ownership, then he really should refer you someone who will
Failing that - have your medical history forwarded to a private service - they, in turn, will require you to grant them access on your behalf
They will provide the police with a medical opinion - which is what they require
Our practice used to provide diving medicals, HGV medicals, as well as blood lead assessments and ionising radiation medicals
All the above require specific knowledge skill sets
Sadly the old man has passed away and the Occ Med element of the practice was folded
I have long since moved on to other things
I think they had mine done 2 days after they received my records.Similar threads
