Dr refused to complete medical form.

[enfieldspares]

Now in theory...I hope that BASC and others can answer this...once we've all been through the procedure (and our full medical history up to that time checked) than on any subsequent renewal the ONLY medical records that will need reviewing will be those produced after that first "full medical MoT"? So the cost of that in most cases should now fall?

 

[Steve Q]

It depends on which Force issues your FAC.
Some Forces only want 10 years of medical records for renewals, but others (for example Surrey & Sussex) still want 30 years, even for renewals.
There are efforts afoot with the Police forces to align the standard across all 43 licencing units, but it could take another couple of years before all the Chief Constables agree.

 

[ColinJ]

It depends on which Force issues your FAC.
Some Forces only want 10 years of medical records for renewals, but others (for example Surrey & Sussex) still want 30 years, even for renewals.
There are efforts afoot with the Police forces to align the standard across all 43 licencing units, but it could take another couple of years before all the Chief Constables agree.

Sussex & Surrey may want 30 years, but push comes to shove they will accept 10 years.

 

[Dave_45]

A medical of any description is usually only valid for the day of the medical as you can develop whatever mental or physical issue the day after.

Is what we get told and our line of work is fairly high risk.

I think it’s to highlight any history ,does anything need clarification, are they suffering at point of medical appt etc etc.
Do we need a specialist to sit down with this individual.
I often wonder how much input the visiting FEO has in this along with talking to referees.

Bones and minds can heal is a thing to remember I suppose.

 

[Stalker62]

A medical of any description is usually only valid for the day of the medical as you can develop whatever mental or physical issue the day after.

Absolutely - it is as valid (and useless) as an MOT - it has a 'shelf-life', equivalent to the time it takes the ink to dry.

I think it’s to highlight any history...

Exactly this. It does two things.

1. There is nothing in the patient's history - the FLD can crack on with the application.
2. There is something in the patient's history - further reports will be requested by the FLD.

 

[phildsmith69]

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I used Ian. Cost £60. Cant fault the service.

 

[25 Sharps]

Shotgun Medicals is who I went with, good service and very prompt.

My GP said the same, again this should be brought into legislation, a GP needs to know they're professionally stating the mental side of the applicant not whether they agree with gun ownership. To be honest I respect their view as an individual but I also don't care, I want you to state in your professional capacity whether you are aware or have any concerns over my mental health period!

It’s not just mental health they have to report on and the GMC are currently saying they don’t have to do it.

If there’s a conscientious objector in a practice I think I’d rather they refused than trying to make something out of the small issue in your medical past that they can use to prevent you owning a gun, if forced to report, or am I just a cynic?!

 

[25 Sharps]

Now in theory...I hope that BASC and others can answer this...once we've all been through the procedure (and our full medical history up to that time checked) than on any subsequent renewal the ONLY medical records that will need reviewing will be those produced after that first "full medical MoT"? So the cost of that in most cases should now fall?

Nope, I got told at my previous renewal that I would only need to get the report once, then had to do the same the subsequent renewal!

 

[Sandyb]

Nope, I got told at my previous renewal that I would only need to get the report once, then had to do the same the subsequent renewal!

I suppose as being stated above, there could have a change in your health and condition since last report issue.. so makes sense., but one would then expect any period to only go to the date of the last one…

 

[Tazz]

I will wheel out my story again? Yes. Why not!

My GP Surgery also told me, when this came in, that "they had taken a practice decision not to take part in the process".

So eight months later I go and ask for a copy of my medical records so that I can get a third party to do the certification.

The practice manager then tells me that they "have had a meeting" about the matter.

"Yes," says I, "I know. You're not taking part in the process."

"Oh no, we are now," says he. "We'll now be signing them."

"How much?" I ask.

"£133." Is the answer

To which I reply "Well I am glad to see that you don't sell you virtue cheap."

Tell them you are a keen Elephant/Rhino hunter see if the price goes up

 

[25 Sharps]

I suppose as being stated above, there could have a change in your health and condition since last report issue.. so makes sense., but one would then expect any period to only go to the date of the last one…

Yeah, but the GP said it was a waste of time as I had a marker on my records so if there was any issue that cropped up they’d have let the police know anyway!

 

[Bavarianbrit]

I used Ian. Cost £60. Cant fault the service.

Ha, my GP is located only half a mile away from his surgery, perhaps I should change to his.

 

[Greenmist]

Surely if you write to the firearms dept to tell them that your GP doesn’t like guns and won’t fill out the form then it becomes the police’s problem if they want the report.

No it doesn't, its up to the applicant to get the form completed, when I experienced delays with mine due to medical records not being with my current GP, it was suggested to use medcert or similar. Instead of having a go and GP's we should be campaigning for a return to the previous system.

 

[Steve Q]

Nope, I got told at my previous renewal that I would only need to get the report once, then had to do the same the subsequent renewal!

It depends which Force you are under.
for example, Kent and TVP only want 10 years of medical records for renewals, whereas Surrey & Sussex want 30 years.
It seems that legislation leaves it open to Chief Constables to decide what is an acceptable period of time for records. This is something that absolutely need to be equalised across all forces, and I think just the period from the last renewal should be acceptable.

 

[DVS1]

It depends which Force you are under.
for example, Kent and TVP only want 10 years of medical records for renewals, whereas Surrey & Sussex want 30 years.
It seems that legislation leaves it open to Chief Constables to decide what is an acceptable period of time for records. This is something that absolutely need to be equalised across all forces, and I think just the period from the last renewal should be acceptable.

Surrey & Sussex want 30 years? How recent is this? They only requested 10 at my renewal last year.

This is where some common sense and legislation needs to be in place to stipulate time periods.

On your first application I understand that 30 years should be requested or indeed your entire health background but the at each renewal it should be 5 years. After all whats the point of trawling through information that's already submitted!

 

[Steve Q]

Surrey & Sussex want 30 years? How recent is this? They only requested 10 at my renewal last year.

This is where some common sense and legislation needs to be in place to stipulate time periods.

On your first application I understand that 30 years should be requested or indeed your entire health background but the at each renewal it should be 5 years. After all whats the point of trawling through information that's already submitted!

Fellow club member a couple of months ago was asked for 30 years in what I think was a first renewal.

 

[DVS1]

Fellow club member a couple of months ago was asked for 30 years in what I think was a first renewal.

A ridiculous request! Sign of the times though

 

[tim@tcs]

Doctors are absolutely allowed to refuse

They aught to refer you to another Doctor though

I'd go through some kind of private service like the one mentioned above

J

Mine returned the form stating he wasn’t qualified to comment on my mental health. Interestingly it went through!
I doubt that will work next time!

 

[JTO]

One of my customers was charged £100 for a HGV medical so he could transport his 12 ton steam roller about. I doubt he needs a HGV to drive the roller. He says there is a firm doing it for £45 but he'll be 81 next time, so won't bother.
My surgery charged me £80 for the HGV medical. I don't think I'll ask them next time.

 

[Apthorpe]

One of my customers was charged £100 for a HGV medical so he could transport his 12 ton steam roller about. I doubt he needs a HGV to drive the roller. He says there is a firm doing it for £45 but he'll be 81 next time, so won't bother.
My surgery charged me £80 for the HGV medical. I don't think I'll ask them next time.

When your practice gets a new GP who supports XR or Just Stop Oil, no more HGV nor pilot medicals, and presumably no more medicines made with petrochemicals.