Dumping of shot pheasants

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I'm not going to get involved any more than to say these threads always disappoint me how quick many fellow shooters/fieldsportsmen are to automatically believe everything antis write.
Most of the more extreme 1's couldnae lie straight in bed.

I have picked up on a lot of shoots and know quite a few keepers and can honestly say i've never ever know a keeper to dump birds wholesale, i know 1 shoot who released kanas X birds so quite small anyway were very strict when sorting they're birds, but only as the game dealer didn't really want such small birds. So yes a higher % were classed as unfit for human consumption + showing some very good birds and quite rocky/hard ground in places never going to help the state the birds are in
Every other shoot in the area the game dealer just takes the job lot.


The real thing i wanted to post and i'm possibly too late as seasons over but if any have any birds hanging and i see someone mentioned plucking some a few pages back.

I've never plucked a pheasant for years, lifes too short for that esp if ur getting quite a few, heard all sorts of random 'brilliant' ways to deal with them, from standing on the wings and pulling there legs ( never really liked it) etc

But the best way i was shown a couple of years ago
U twist/cut both wings off
U then put ur fingers of 1 hand down the gizzard/wishbone, grab the bird head/neck with ur other hand and just pull.
They just rip apart and it leaves u with a nice fairly clean crown still on the bone.
Real easy and relatively mess free.
 
VSS said:
The fact is, many people do believe those stories, and it is the views of those many people, not the views of the few who shoot, that will determine whether or not driven game shooting has a future.
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It's also a fact that many don't believe the same stories. The anti's need credibility and they haven't got much of that. Spreading lies doesn't make anything fact.
I was on a 1000 acre shoot near me yesterday. There are 9 woods on the land. 8 of those were planted by the owner and his father before him for game shooting. He's also dug out two ponds in the low bits. The land is perfect for shooting but obviously also for much other wildlife as was proven during the drives. He's also an avid conservationist and as such, the RSPB would come and do bird surveys annually.
He used to have two pairs of turtle doves nest around the farm yard every year until Packham's GL challenge meant that both nest got predated by magpies that he used to trap previously. He's now banned the RSPB from his land as he blames them and their association with Packham for the loss of one of his favourite birds. He's the sort of bloke that I want on my side and stands for everything that I believe in. He also mixes with lots of landed people who do much the same for our countryside.
The countryside would look very different around my way if it wasn't for game shooting that's for sure! It worries me too that people look at these videos and don't even think to question them before posting on here. The antis much be laughing their heads off!
 
baguio said:
It's also a fact that many don't believe the same stories. The anti's need credibility and they haven't got much of that. Spreading lies doesn't make anything fact.
I was on a 1000 acre shoot near me yesterday. There are 9 woods on the land. 8 of those were planted by the owner and his father before him for game shooting. He's also dug out two ponds in the low bits. The land is perfect for shooting but obviously also for much other wildlife as was proven during the drives. He's also an avid conservationist and as such, the RSPB would come and do bird surveys annually.
He used to have two pairs of turtle doves nest around the farm yard every year until Packham's GL challenge meant that both nest got predated by magpies that he used to trap previously. He's now banned the RSPB from his land as he blames them and their association with Packham for the loss of one of his favourite birds. He's the sort of bloke that I want on my side and stands for everything that I believe in. He also mixes with lots of landed people who do much the same for our countryside.
The countryside would look very different around my way if it wasn't for game shooting that's for sure! It worries me too that people look at these videos and don't even think to question them before posting on here. The antis much be laughing their heads off!
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Sounds like you have a good shoot near you. More like it are needed. However, I have witnessed the shooting of raptors and the dumping of shot pheasants first hand, so no, I do not disbelieve the anti propaganda, because I know with absolute certainty that it happens. I dearly wish that someone could prove to me that it does not, but they can't. Not yet. Hopefully that time will come before it's too late. I don't want to see any kind of shooting banned any more than anyone else on here, but neither should I feel obliged to stand up for a group of people who live with their heads permanently in the sand. Driven game shooting has to either mend its tarnished image, or go.
 
VSS said:
Sounds like you have a good shoot near you. More like it are needed. However, I have witnessed the shooting of raptors and the dumping of shot pheasants first hand, so no, I do not disbelieve the anti propaganda, because I know with absolute certainty that it happens. I dearly wish that someone could prove to me that it does not, but they can't. Not yet. Hopefully that time will come before it's too late. I don't want to see any kind of shooting banned any more than anyone else on here, but neither should I feel obliged to stand up for a group of people who live with their heads permanently in the sand. Driven game shooting has to either mend its tarnished image, or go.
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Prove that something doesn't happen? Is that even possible? The next day someone could dump a single pheasant and I'm proven wrong!
 
VSS said:
As a livestock farmer myself, I can assure you that the onus is on me to prove an awful lot about the way I produce food, the way in which I dispose of waste and by-products, and the way in which I manage the environment, with detailed records kept and regular, in-depth inspections by Trading Standards, Animal Health and DEFRA (or the devolved equivalent). This is a legal requirement. If food is subsequently wasted by the purchaser, that's beyond my control.
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Beyond your control, but so is the demand for pheasant meat beyond the control of the producer. It’s not really different from farmers producing unprofitable meat which regularly happens, whether it's lamb, pork, dairy calves or whatever.
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Why should not pheasant shoots, as primary producers, also be subject to similar traceability requirements and inspections?
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For the simple reason that it’s disproportionate and ineffective.
VSS said:
Would that perhaps go some way towards solving the problem?
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It’s done nothing to solve the problem of food waste where such a regime is used, so I’m not persuaded.
 
VSS said:
Sounds like you have a good shoot near you. More like it are needed. However, I have witnessed the shooting of raptors and the dumping of shot pheasants first hand, so no, I do not disbelieve the anti propaganda, because I know with absolute certainty that it happens. I dearly wish that someone could prove to me that it does not, but they can't. Not yet. Hopefully that time will come before it's too late. I don't want to see any kind of shooting banned any more than anyone else on here, but neither should I feel obliged to stand up for a group of people who live with their heads permanently in the sand. Driven game shooting has to either mend its tarnished image, or go.
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What @baguio describes is overwhelmingly the norm, and what you've witnessed very much the exception. Yet here we are with even field sports people insisting that another field sport is indefensible because of the odd isolated instance of bad practice - something that is universal to every field of human activity.
 
VSS said:
Sounds like you have a good shoot near you. More like it are needed. However, I have witnessed the shooting of raptors and the dumping of shot pheasants first hand, so no, I do not disbelieve the anti propaganda, because I know with absolute certainty that it happens. I dearly wish that someone could prove to me that it does not, but they can't. Not yet. Hopefully that time will come before it's too late. I don't want to see any kind of shooting banned any more than anyone else on here, but neither should I feel obliged to stand up for a group of people who live with their heads permanently in the sand. Driven game shooting has to either mend its tarnished image, or go.
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So u tar every other shoot with the same brush and quite often and vocally too.
By all accounts u have had some bad experiences with a right bunch of cowboys who unfortunately shot over ur land, and i do feel sorry for u about it.
Would not be a nice position to be in

Are u not also a farmer??
I wouldn't have to go very far to find some local farms breaking all sorts of rules and laws, but i don't blame all farmers or accuse them all of doing the same.
Yet u seem to think all shoots do these things.
I'm sure u know of plenty farmers urself that aren't working to the standards they should be bt it doesn't make u all bad.

Like many things in life money and greed has spoiled it for everyone, but sadly thats just modern life and only seems to be getting worse.

I've been around shoots/keepering for a long time (alhou not as long as many on here) and in my area dumping birds is really quite scarce if it even happens and some of bigger shoots are doing a lot of days ( my mate managed 120 odd days picking up this season!!)
Infact often its ur diy syndicates that are struggling to get rid of birds as for 30-50 birds not worth a dealer coming out or u taking them in, if the same team are regularly shooting 30+ birds they soon fill their freezers, and its not just the 'toffs' commercial guns that dont take game.
I bet on my wee shoot most of the game would be taken by 30% of the guns with a few guns never ever taking any game.
Even with raptor persecution it really is quite rare now, compared to 10 or even 20 years ago just a different league.
I know keepers how were hard on them 20-30 years ago just quite rightly don't touch them now, that is a massive change of face in a very short space of time esp when it was so engrained in many of the older generations
 
dunwater said:
The likely response to that will be a ban on NI exports to the EU and ROI.
Thats not going to be good for anyone involved
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Bans tend to get reciprocated. Probably better this way than the UK applying the regulations in the same way at the EU which would completely cripple Irish agri exports.
 
countrryboy said:
Have u read some of the charges???

Possession of a slash hook???

**** me wot do u get charged with for owning a strimmer??
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I thought that too. They've trumped up as many charges as they can think of. The hook was used to kill the buzzards, but even so it's pretty silly.
As for the firearms offences, who knows whether they were merited or just going for as many technical breaches as they could.
This is the problem with much of the law surrounding rural activity now. It's just used for lawfare rather than sensibly applied for the purposes for which it was enacted.
 
TH4 said:
If the video was made by anti fieldsports activists I would be concerned about how factual the footage was. They are not known for telling the truth about fieldsports
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Bollocks, we all know it goes on just don't see the evidence very often.

Anyway this is a stalking website. Nothing to do with me, nor has fox hunting. They can take the consequences for their own actions and not come bleating to me for support if it all goes tits up.
 
Apthorpe said:
I thought that too. They've trumped up as many charges as they can think of. The hook was used to kill the buzzards, but even so it's pretty silly.
As for the firearms offences, who knows whether they were merited or just going for as many technical breaches as they could.
This is the problem with much of the law surrounding rural activity now. It's just used for lawfare rather than sensibly applied for the purposes for which it was enacted.
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Aye u often get 'pesticide' charges/offences too.

But often it could be keeping ur roundup in a juice bottle ( not that u should do that ever) or not having them correctly locked/stored away with the correct stickers on the door.

Just at it really, i seen no mention of any fines for firarms/ammo offences.

SDurely there are easier ways to kill a buzzard than with a heuke??
If buzzby was it a trap i can't even think how u'd do itwith a huke, probably the last tool i'd pick up.
 
dunwater said:
The likely response to that will be a ban on NI exports to the EU and ROI.
Thats not going to be good for anyone involved
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Keep this at Ballycastle and the Scottish isle's are only minutes away 🤔
 

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Liveonce said:
indeed

Wild Justice Raptor Forensic Fund helps secure conviction of buzzard-killing gamekeeper John Orrey – Wild Justice

wildjustice.org.uk wildjustice.org.uk
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How many game keepers are there in the UK? Sure, this one was a Bellend. This one is clearly a bit special as he's used protected birds as bait! No one said that there weren’t idiots in the UK though. There always will be. See Field Sports Britain tonight to hear about the Cheshire hunt sabs now in court for frightening kids! Try sitting in the gallery at any court in the country and I suspect that the average person on here will be frightened by the revolving door of low life's going up to face the judge. They walk amongst us and it's not good!
 
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Apthorpe said:
Bans tend to get reciprocated. Probably better this way than the UK applying the regulations in the same way at the EU which would completely cripple Irish agri exports.
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I suspect that we’re going to end up as collateral damage to the NI/UK Brexit row, our stuff still travels through the UK to the EU market.
It’s going to be a complete balls up.
 
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