Dunblane: how Britain banned handguns

[gixer1]

It is impossible to legislate against insanity so banning any type of weapon is pointless.
The person should have some sort of effective mental health and personality test. Successful applicants should then have a license to possess a certain number of firearms with secondary level applications should they have a legal need for more.

Why a certain number?? Is a person any more dangerous with 10 firearms vs 5? You are either sane or not - the number is not the issue.

 

[spanj]

Why a certain number?? Is a person any more dangerous with 10 firearms vs 5? You are either sane or not - the number is not the issue.

Agreed. Its a bit like calibre specific requirements, just bureaucratic nonsense

 

[Smellydog]

Hey, you stamped on someone's head and now they are dead!
What is wrong with you?

Hey, you stabbed someone and now they are dead.
What is wrong with you?

Hey, you shot someone with a gun and now they are dead.
We need to do something about guns!

 

[Skietindiekop]

Why? Would more tip them over the edge like?

My comment was more to align with the security expectations rather than person suitability

 

[Skietindiekop]

Why a certain number?? Is a person any more dangerous with 10 firearms vs 5? You are either sane or not - the number is not the issue.

I was referring to security considerations not personal suitability

 

[Smellydog]

My comment was more to align with the security expectations rather than person suitability

How does it change security?

 

[Skietindiekop]

How does it change security?

If you want high numbers in domestic properties then the security expectation is higher. A standard grant should allow for standard security requirements.

 

[Smellydog]

If you want high numbers in domestic properties then the security expectation is higher. A standard grant should allow for standard security requirements.

How does the " expectation" rise?
Is it a linear expectation or compounded?

Access to one firearm by an unauthorized person is no different to them gaining access to twenty, no?

 

[Skietindiekop]

How does the " expectation" rise?
Is it a linear expectation or compounded?

Access to one firearm by an unauthorized person is no different to them gaining access to twenty, no?

I don’t make the rules but they do change on numbers held

 

[Smellydog]

I don’t make the rules but they do change on numbers held

Yes I know. I thought you were expressing an opinion. My mistake.

 

[VSS]

How does the " expectation" rise?
Is it a linear expectation or compounded?

Access to one firearm by an unauthorized person is no different to them gaining access to twenty, no?

Well I suppose if someone were to nab 20 firearms they'd be able to arm their whole gang, so I think it is a bit different, and I can understand the increased security expectation where large numbers are concerned.

 

[old keeper]

I remember watching a programme on the gangs in this country; there were so many of them carrying handguns, it was unbelievable.

They were not old rusty things, but what looked like brand new automatics. Surely, they should have been the ones targeted, not licensed, legal gun owners.

 

[Smellydog]

Well I suppose if someone were to nab 20 firearms they'd be able to arm their whole gang, so I think it is a bit different, and I can understand the increased security expectation where large numbers are concerned.

Ahh I see yes.
I thought the context was a single person owning firearms, we were discussing Hamilton originally etc.

 

[Elshad]

It may be a pipe dream but I still have hope that perhaps with the right government we may get .22 handguns back (perhaps with a stipulation that they be kept at clubs, similar to the original 1997 Act).

 

[Liveonce]

It may be a pipe dream but I still have hope that perhaps with the right government we may get .22 handguns back (perhaps with a stipulation that they be kept at clubs, similar to the original 1997 Act).

likely the only way we get handguns even .22 is when we get invaded of ww3 starts.

 

[timbrayford]

I distinctly remember the immediate footage after the event.
The school glass windows had bullet holes in them!
It is my belief and others that the police tried to shoot Hamilton through the glass.
If correct your imagination can do the rest!

I would not be at all surprised if it wasn't all Hamilton's shots that harmed children!!

Hamilton got his license via the chief constables connection with the free mason's and possibly homosexual relationships.

The chiefs staff sent over 50 memo's requesting Hamilton's licence be revoked but they were ignored.
The chief got early retirement and nothing else.

Since Dumblane do I trust the establishment or authorities? Not one bit.

Not just early retirement but reportedly spirited off to Australia under an assumed name. The police & civil service have an awful lot to answer for!

 

[Chris Richardson]

Not just early retirement but reportedly spirited off to Australia under an assumed name. The police & civil service have an awful lot to answer for!

but they never will answer will they

 

[Greenmist]

likely the only way we get handguns even .22 is when we get invaded of ww3 starts.

Doubtful, after starmer surrenders on day 1, he will order all chief constables to hand over firearms records to the invading force, the only consolation being, the birmingham bin men will still be on strike

 

[bluesako]

i surrenderd a six shot 357 magnum sw revolver, same day they paid me my compensation money, i went and bought a 10 shot 357 magnum lever action rifle

 

[Klenchblaize]

i surrenderd a six shot 357 magnum sw revolver, same day they paid me my compensation money, i went and bought a 10 shot 357 magnum lever action rifle

See post #34. I could have expanded on my thought process but figured it would not be necessary.

All thes debates about the handgun ban take me back to a crisp Autumn morning in the car park of Sevenoaks Police Station having just surrendered mine. The chap ahead of me in the queue was getting back into his car and clearly felt compelled to say something. I wish he had refrained as my hackles still rise whenever I recall his 'optimistic' pronouncment:

"Don’t worry, they'll never take the long ones"

K