Electric Vehicle purchase (used)

I had to chuckle when I just read an article about a Jaguar i Pace that had to be blocked and brought to a halt by police drivers on the motorway when its braking system failed... could happen to any car I suppose.
Harder being heavier?

How much does an electric vehicle weigh compared to a fuel vehicle?


State of play: Electric vehicles can be anywhere from hundreds to thousands of pounds heavier than similarly sized gas vehicles because EV batteries are so much heavier than engines.

 
Harder being heavier?

How much does an electric vehicle weigh compared to a fuel vehicle?


State of play: Electric vehicles can be anywhere from hundreds to thousands of pounds heavier than similarly sized gas vehicles because EV batteries are so much heavier than engines.

Never thought of the weight difference, I doubt it was an easy manoeuvre with folks still in the EV, always the chance of an intense fire as well if it ignites :oops:
 
Never thought of the weight difference, I doubt it was an easy manoeuvre with folks still in the EV, always the chance of an intense fire as well if it ignites :oops:
they love water.

The most common solution (at present) to effectively put out an EV fire is to use lots of water to cool down the battery material, and starve it of oxygen by smothering it from atmospheric air.


When we say “lots of water“, there have been reports from fire departments that it’s not uncommon for an EV fire to take between 25,000 and 50,000 litres of water to extinguish. To put that into perspective, a petrol or diesel car fire tends to only take between 2000 and 4000 litres to extinguish.
 
Rightfully so too.

Further the discussion to include the huge distances in Australia (+elsewhere) and those dinosaurs are correct in that its the arse end of the world for electric vehicles here that have to cope with 'the tyranny of distance'
btw reports of these fabled battery driven cars towing a van/laden trailer suggest that they are not worth a **** full of cold water.


oh fkn wow ha ha
I read somewhere of a comparison of running costs between two BMW's I believe, in Australia one electric, one diesel, and the diesel car came out cheaper on a several hundred mile journey. Not sure how your fuel costs compare though.
 
Apparently on the Tesla Model S, the whole battery assembly has to be removed for heater fuse replacement, which isn’t that uncommon a fault.

Typical cost is in excess of £3k.

Doesn’t say much for Tesla design concepts.
 
Apparently on the Tesla Model S, the whole battery assembly has to be removed for heater fuse replacement, which isn’t that uncommon a fault.

Typical cost is in excess of £3k.

Doesn’t say much for Tesla design concepts.
Or Elon Musk is having a laugh....
 
I'm still on the fence regarding EVs. Basically they are getting there, but not right for everyone.
And happened to have had a long conversation today with a friend who is on his 2nd Tesla. But even as a petrol-head, he said that going EV is a one way trip. Would never go back.


Car fires: Far more ICE cars catch fire, it's just that they are not newsworthy. Remeber third party, fire and theft insurance?

Battery life: Early EVs such as the Nissan Leaf used passive air cooling on the battery pack, which is not very kind to them. Pretty much every other EV since has active liquid cooling, so battery age really isn't an issue any more.

Public charging: If you have a Tesla, then it's a pretty slick, quick, fully integrated and reliable network. The car tells you where the best/nearest charger is, who is waiting at it, the state of charge of THEIR cars and can calculate how long you will be waiting and charging for. All Tesla's are rapid charge and so are all their chargers.
Anything else is pretty poor. Flakey phone applications, poor reliability, dodgy payment systems, etc. Charge time can be painful if you choose a car that does not have rapid charge. Or you get to a charge station that being hogged by someone who only can only slow charge.

Tyres: Heard an interesting podcast interview with a fleet manager who is transitioning to EVs. She said that early on they were getting lots of cars scrubbing out rear tyres. As the drivers were gunning the cars because of the high pull off torque. Once they got the boy racer bit out of their system, they were seeing tyres regularly lasting 40k. Which easilly compensated for the higher costs of them (EVs tend to have harder compound due to heavier weight.)

So if you can off-road charge at home and mostly use it for trips with your battery range, an EV makes lots of sense.
If you have reliable destination charging (at work or whatever) it will cost a little more to run, but will increase the useable range of the vehicle. (Or have a Teslar)

No home charging (or again, not a Tesla), or you do regular very long distances, I think the balance is stil in favour of ICE.

I currently have an old petrol car with loads of life left in. My work commute is 3hours for 110miles and no reliable destination charging. So I would either need to buy an EV with a moderatly big range, and they are still at a price where depreciation is going to cost me more than I would save in running costs. Or a cheaper car and have to spend even more time on the commute charging. Neither are attractive.
So I'll stick with my existing car till it dies, or EVs have filtered down into the end of the used market where I can afford.
 
Never thought of the weight difference, I doubt it was an easy manoeuvre with folks still in the EV, always the chance of an intense fire as well if it ignites :oops:
There was a Uk police pull recently on FB noted by the police.
The beavertail recovery truck was 38% overweight apparently and the driver dealt with accordingly.

Only vehicle onboard was a Porsche ev and was pulled due to slow speed on the hills.
 
I'm still on the fence regarding EVs. Basically they are getting there, but not right for everyone.
And happened to have had a long conversation today with a friend who is on his 2nd Tesla. But even as a petrol-head, he said that going EV is a one way trip. Would never go back.


Car fires: Far more ICE cars catch fire, it's just that they are not newsworthy. Remeber third party, fire and theft insurance?

Battery life: Early EVs such as the Nissan Leaf used passive air cooling on the battery pack, which is not very kind to them. Pretty much every other EV since has active liquid cooling, so battery age really isn't an issue any more.

Public charging: If you have a Tesla, then it's a pretty slick, quick, fully integrated and reliable network. The car tells you where the best/nearest charger is, who is waiting at it, the state of charge of THEIR cars and can calculate how long you will be waiting and charging for. All Tesla's are rapid charge and so are all their chargers.
Anything else is pretty poor. Flakey phone applications, poor reliability, dodgy payment systems, etc. Charge time can be painful if you choose a car that does not have rapid charge. Or you get to a charge station that being hogged by someone who only can only slow charge.

Tyres: Heard an interesting podcast interview with a fleet manager who is transitioning to EVs. She said that early on they were getting lots of cars scrubbing out rear tyres. As the drivers were gunning the cars because of the high pull off torque. Once they got the boy racer bit out of their system, they were seeing tyres regularly lasting 40k. Which easilly compensated for the higher costs of them (EVs tend to have harder compound due to heavier weight.)

So if you can off-road charge at home and mostly use it for trips with your battery range, an EV makes lots of sense.
If you have reliable destination charging (at work or whatever) it will cost a little more to run, but will increase the useable range of the vehicle. (Or have a Teslar)

No home charging (or again, not a Tesla), or you do regular very long distances, I think the balance is stil in favour of ICE.

I currently have an old petrol car with loads of life left in. My work commute is 3hours for 110miles and no reliable destination charging. So I would either need to buy an EV with a moderatly big range, and they are still at a price where depreciation is going to cost me more than I would save in running costs. Or a cheaper car and have to spend even more time on the commute charging. Neither are attractive.
So I'll stick with my existing car till it dies, or EVs have filtered down into the end of the used market where I can afford.
I'm glad your ok with them but sorry mate....they are wonk 😐
 
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