Thanks for posting that, it illustrates my point perfectly! I’m not sure the point you were trying to make as I said I started small
(for your information, I’m 28 now, you can do the math as to the stage I was at in 2011! 
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Nickb
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My point was you wouldn't have struggled to set up your business with having your own farm and having all the contacts .Thanks for posting that, it illustrates my point perfectly! I’m not sure the point you were trying to make as I said I started small
No doubt Dad helped out
And you've got the nerve to tell me I sound like a Leftie! Jeeez!!!My point was you wouldn't have struggled to set up your business with having your own farm and having all the contacts .
No doubt Dad helped out
My dad isn’t a shooting man, my mum is vegan. I got into the industry a different way (offering free help to everyone who advertised a deer related job on here). I sent 140 emails over 18 months before someone took me up on my offers. The person who took me on didn’t know me or my family and then I had to go to Scotland to work for two years as a dragger for a contractor to get my foot in the door. In the meantime I managed to pick up a few small bits of ground and before you know it you are inundated with opportunities. I worked my bollocks off for pretty much no money from 18-25, but I managed to get where I wanted to be and I did it without any family ties. It’s funny, as soon as you do well for yourself, no matter how hard you worked people just love to tell you how you had an unfair advantage. Or you had it easier, and that’s why they haven’t done the sameMy point was you wouldn't have struggled to set up your business with having your own farm and having all the contacts .
No doubt Dad helped out
Because people on the left love to point at ‘white privilege’ they love to blame the fact that others have things that they don’t on unearned privileges rather than accepting that if you work hard you get rewarded.
Nickb
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Well done to you , I admire your hard work and dedicationMy dad isn’t a shooting man, my mum is vegan. I got into the industry a different way (offering free help to everyone who advertised a deer related job on here). I sent 140 emails over 18 months before someone took me up on my offers. The person who took me on didn’t know me or my family and then I had to go to Scotland to work for two years as a dragger for a contractor to get my foot in the door. In the meantime I managed to pick up a few small bits of ground and before you know it you are inundated with opportunities. I worked my bollocks off for pretty much no money from 18-25, but I managed to get where I wanted to be and I did it without any family ties. It’s funny, as soon as you do well for yourself, no matter how hard you worked people just love to tell you how you had an unfair advantage. Or you had it easier, and that’s why they haven’t done the same
You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder about someone possibly having an advantage over you as a result of them being a landowner or coming from a landed family.
A very clear Leftie trait, if I may say so.
It's not so bad really Nick. Now you've got it out in the open you won't have to try so hard anymore to suppress your true sympathies, and your life will be so much less bitter.
pete evans
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It does happen, I know of someone that gets paid for foxes per fox and per outing. If he was doing it recreationally he would be able to subsidise the diesel or time. The payment was suggested as the farm manager wanted to be certain of service and the financial benefit was calculable through increased yield
BenBhoy
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Yeah agreed @Nickb I liked that comment you made about us enjoying it. We enjoy doing it, for several reasons. And the landowner accomdates that & allows us. But, apart from very niche settings, don't kid ourselves that fox shooting is an integral part of the farm management & day to day running.
Before I worked here, no control of anything was done. If I died tomorrow the predator control here would stop. The farmer isn't bothered either way, he happy for me to do it because he knows me. He wouldn't let another & certainly wouldn't go looking for anyone. From a farm/£ point of view, the foxes have no impact. Zero.
I want to do it because I enjoy it & I get satisfaction seeing the improvement in birds & hares since I started.
Before I worked here, no control of anything was done. If I died tomorrow the predator control here would stop. The farmer isn't bothered either way, he happy for me to do it because he knows me. He wouldn't let another & certainly wouldn't go looking for anyone. From a farm/£ point of view, the foxes have no impact. Zero.
I want to do it because I enjoy it & I get satisfaction seeing the improvement in birds & hares since I started.
Nickb
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Couldn't care less matey , I'm really content with my lot , nothing I need.You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder about someone possibly having an advantage over you as a result of them being a landowner or coming from a landed family.
A very clear Leftie trait, if I may say so.
It's not so bad really Nick. Now you've got it out in the open you won't have to try so hard anymore to suppress your true sympathies, and your life will be so much less bitter.
Well apart from Reform getting into power
Nickb
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1 Person hardly supports the argument. Doesn't happen round here .
63
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If you draw a distinction between hunting (enjoyable, on the shooters terms) and culling (on the landowners terms, and to hit numbers) it generally feels a bit clearer to me where the quid pro quo is.
My first proper shooting patch was 3000 acres - the Farm manager wanted the foxes and rabbits culled around some specific parts of the farm, and in return we were free to hunt for hares, game birds and pigeons wherever we wanted. Some nights the foxing was enjoyable, sometimes it definitely felt like a chore.
Nowadays I pay money to hunt, but I wouldn't pay money to cull. If I had more time on my hands, I might cull in order to be allowed to hunt, or cull to get money knocked off my hunting.
If someone wanted me to spend weekdays culling, they'd need to pay me. Sadly I get paid more for making powerpoint slides and going to teams meetings than I would ever get paid for culling deer, so that would never make sense.
I sense the future is probably increasingly large tracts held by professional guides, who rent out the hunting in various formats, and ensure that the culling gets done.
My first proper shooting patch was 3000 acres - the Farm manager wanted the foxes and rabbits culled around some specific parts of the farm, and in return we were free to hunt for hares, game birds and pigeons wherever we wanted. Some nights the foxing was enjoyable, sometimes it definitely felt like a chore.
Nowadays I pay money to hunt, but I wouldn't pay money to cull. If I had more time on my hands, I might cull in order to be allowed to hunt, or cull to get money knocked off my hunting.
If someone wanted me to spend weekdays culling, they'd need to pay me. Sadly I get paid more for making powerpoint slides and going to teams meetings than I would ever get paid for culling deer, so that would never make sense.
I sense the future is probably increasingly large tracts held by professional guides, who rent out the hunting in various formats, and ensure that the culling gets done.
Nickb
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Exactly my point.
BenBhoy
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I think that depends on what you decide is most important to you. I know I could have chosen a career that I'd get paid more for. I'm sure if I properly work it out then I'd be better off financially working in Aldi.
But some jobs aren't about the the wages. Because I'm on this piece of land every day, all times, all seasons, I've built a connection with it. It becomes a part of you & for a fleeting time you are par of it. You simply cannot buy that. And personally, I can't put a price on that feeling.
pete evans
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I’m not really arguing and take many of your points, however I felt I could contribute as I have personal knowledge of this. The chap in question was going to scale down his visits as he couldn’t justify the costs or time even though it is his hobby. The farm manager persuaded him to commit to a regular “service” by financial remuneration. Now, on the other hand I am very much a fair weather foxer and probably put in just enough effort to retain the privilege of taking deer (also on a fair weather basis) and I’m guessing most arrangements are similar to me. Point is there are very few recreational fox shooters that get out 3 times a week in all weathers and consistently flatten a number of foxes
Nickb
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I think you will find there are plenty , I used to be out nearly every night but as the fox numbers are very low now it isn't warranted.
I'm still out 3 nights a week but depending on time of year it alternates between deer , foxes and rabbits.
Does my mate who I grew up with who is now a grouse keeper count as being paid to shoot foxes
Nickb
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No as its his job.
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