Federal 308 110gn - Scotland

[venery]

I was unable to get my usual Federal 150gn Powershock ( my Sako 75 likes Federal) at gun shop but they did have Federal 110gn Ballistic Tip (BT) . As i am off to Scotland in Jan I thought I might try it as it goes out at 3300fps as opposed to 2820fps and so should give a flatter trajectory and be more aerodynamic at longer distances. Not sure about shot reaction on Reds though given differences between soft point and BT expansion and exit wound.
Has anyone any experience of using 110gn BT on Reds ?

 

[Haggis Hunter]

I’ve shot quite a few red hinds and stags too with 120gn Nosler BT bullets out of a 6.5x47 rifle and they were very effective. Only once did I have a bullet ‘blow up’ when hitting a rib on a hind, otherwise all good. I still use them on roe, where I’m allowed, and damage is fine.
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[Sinistral]

I was unable to get my usual Federal 150gn Powershock ( my Sako 75 likes Federal) at gun shop but they did have Federal 110gn Ballistic Tip (BT) .

Puzzled, as I don't know of any Federal .308 110gr loading or .308 Ballistic Tip bullet (Nosler) in this weight for deer.

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Is there a product code on the Federal ammunition box?

 

[chriswjx]

I was unable to get my usual Federal 150gn Powershock ( my Sako 75 likes Federal) at gun shop but they did have Federal 110gn Ballistic Tip (BT) . As i am off to Scotland in Jan I thought I might try it as it goes out at 3300fps as opposed to 2820fps and so should give a flatter trajectory and be more aerodynamic at longer distances. Not sure about shot reaction on Reds though given differences between soft point and BT expansion and exit wound.
Has anyone any experience of using 110gn BT on Reds ?

What's your route in/through Scotland?

Sure I've seen some 308 150gr Powershok for sale in @Edinburgh Rifles

 

[Scipio]

I’ve shot quite a few red hinds and stags too with 120gn Nosler BT bullets out of a 6.5x47 rifle and they were very effective. Only once did I have a bullet ‘blow up’ when hitting a rib on a hind, otherwise all good. I still use them on roe, where I’m allowed, and damage is fine.
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Good feedback, but for a 30 cal to bullet to match the sectional density (effeciency of penetration, if the same bullet and bullet placement etc is used) + ballistics coeffecient (drag in flight, and thus effect of ai resistance and wind on the bullet), of your 120 grn 6.5, you need to shot more or less a 160 grn.
A 110 grn 30 cal would be more like shooting a 70 grn 6.5 bullet, in this context. It sounds more like a varmint round, tbh.

 

[takbok]

I wouldn't have any qualms about using a 110gr bullet on red deer - more than enough to do the job effectively.

 

[Edinburgh Rifles]

20+ flavours of 308 here
5 mins off bypass

Federal 110gr BT are VMax

I use 95gr VMax in the Grendel
Nothing I have shot has walked away including an angry Sika stag

 

[Scipio]

I wouldn't have any qualms about using a 110gr bullet on red deer - more than enough to do the job effectively.

but a 110 grn lead 30 cal bullet, you mean?

 

[takbok]

but a 110 grn lead 30 cal bullet, you mean?

Yes

 

[tackb]

i use 110 vmax but restrict them to head and neck shots they are a varmint bullet and are designed to violently expand

it will be flatter close in but with an inferior BC to heavier/slippery bullets it will lose it's advantage fairly quick

i would grab some on the way nearer to what you normally use , wouldn't make a big change like that at the beginning of my trip

 

[Donkey Basher]

Before reading all the posts above my response was going to be NOT to use the 110gn bullets. They may leave the barrel a bit faster than your 150gn but they will decelerate faster thus losing energy faster.

Now I have read that they are v-max bullets my advice is even more DON’T use them.

If you can get your usual Federal 150gn Powershok from Ed or somewhere else along your route then you should buy some & stick wi5 what you know.

 

[Selous]

I have no experience of this 110g loading but would be very reluctant to use it on the hill. As others have said it will not be very aerodynamic as it’s a short stubby bullet so will lose velocity very quickly and be badly affected by wind drift. The sectional density will also be low and the bullet construction will be light which is to my mind not a great combination for shooting large deer in adverse weather conditions as penetration could be poor and wind drift hard to predict. With a traditional lead core bullet including ballistic tips you are probably better off with 150g and up and you will get more reliable performance. If you are driving up the M6 on the way to Scotland you could try phoning Malmo Guns or Fawcetts Country Sports as they are both only just off the motorway and may well have what you want.

 

[Freeforester]

A 110grn bullet the size of .308 calibre is going to be 30% more lightly constructed than the 150grn of same calibre. The 150grn isn’t somehow ‘packed or compressed’, but the 110grain has by definition a significantly lower sectional density. Sounds like the type of bullet used where the x-ray shows the ‘nano’ and micro particles.

I fear you may be inadvertently setting yourself up for a fall, but you will find out soon enough.

 

[Selous]

I have no experience of this 110g loading but would be very reluctant to use it on the hill. As others have said it will not be very aerodynamic as it’s a short stubby bullet so will lose velocity very quickly and be badly affected by wind drift. The sectional density will also be low and the bullet construction will be light which is to my mind not a great combination for shooting large deer in adverse weather conditions as penetration could be poor and wind drift hard to predict. With a traditional lead core bullet including ballistic tips you are probably better off with 150g and up and you will get more reliable performance. If you are driving up the M6 on the way to Scotland you could try phoning Malmo Guns or Fawcetts Country Sports as they are both only just off the motorway and may well have what you want.

Is this what you normally use?
It says currently 3 boxes in stock.

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If you are driving past at a sensible time of day and not on a Wednesday or Sunday it could be a solution for you.

 

[Mungo]

I was unable to get my usual Federal 150gn Powershock ( my Sako 75 likes Federal) at gun shop but they did have Federal 110gn Ballistic Tip (BT) . As i am off to Scotland in Jan I thought I might try it as it goes out at 3300fps as opposed to 2820fps and so should give a flatter trajectory and be more aerodynamic at longer distances. Not sure about shot reaction on Reds though given differences between soft point and BT expansion and exit wound.
Has anyone any experience of using 110gn BT on Reds ?

Don’t.

These are varmint bullets that expand very aggressively. They will make a horrible mess.

They will also be awful in the wind.

 

[FlyBoy270]

Sounds more of a Foxing round to me

 

[Smellydog]

I used 110gn v max in my 308 for several years but not on deer. They got a proper game bullet.
The 110gn vmax I used of foxes and do not recommend them on red deer if any deer in fact.

 

[Bigjohncat]

I bought a couple of boxes of these to try and yes faster and flatter but the meat damage is horrendous . Ok for fox but avoid like the plague for deer.

 

[tackb]

I used 110gn v max in my 308 for several years but not on deer. They got a proper game bullet.
The 110gn vmax I used of foxes and do not recommend them on red deer if any deer in fact.
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my go to 308 ammo was hornady 168 TAP , superbly accurate and matched the BDC turret on my leupold M3 scope , 110 TAP ammo (vmax projectile) was perfect for windage and an inch high at 100m so it was an easy change from my normal ammo to the 110 vmax for foxing being essentially point and shoot to 200m on foxes under the lamp , which is as far as i really wanted to shoot at night

 

[Smellydog]

my go to 308 ammo was hornady 168 TAP , superbly accurate and matched the BDC turret on my leupold M3 scope , 110 TAP ammo (vmax projectile) was perfect for windage and an inch high at 100m so it was an easy change from my normal ammo to the 110 vmax for foxing being essentially point and shoot to 200m on foxes under the lamp , which is as far as i really wanted to shoot at night

Mine was pretty flat to 200.
I was getting 3160 FPS from a 20" barrel. Pretty good that.
I used it on rabbits to 400yds. I'd get pretty close and make the occasional kill with pure guess work and some help from a spotter.