Gas and electricity profits

[sauer]

There’s no incentive for those in welfare to work …. Paid same doing nothing than bursting their ass for minimum wage and zero hour contracts … bosss with next to les than 24hrs notice
“ don’t need you tomorow”
How can you budget or plan anything round that?
And minimum wage maybe was “enough” while back but with current situation I’d gazers a guess many can’t make ends meet and will have to decide feed or heat …
Or can I get to work because of
1. Can I afford fuel for motor?
2. No motor can’t get to work due to strikes and/ or public transport not fit for purpose

Yes there are people at an element of professional dole takers … but there’s a side of folk trying desperately to better themselves and jist getting deeper in a hole …

Used to be men worked women looked after home ….. now mum and dad working and barely covering costs / staying afloat …..

I’d still like an answer from electric company who trebles my bill yet say I get renewables supplied energy as to why and with my solar panels etc …..

I f$&ked up ,…. Should have went got battery storage system waaaay before now …. Isn’t hindsight wonderful ?

Paul

 

[Freeforester]

What with all the renewable energy we are paying for already one would’ve imagined that the cost of electric would have been stable, but alas no, the consumer pays more, and if they don’t own land upon which to site a wind turbine then the ’new feudalism‘ ensures that you pay for those who do, and despite the wind still being universally a ‘free’ natural commodity, once it has been through the blades of a turbine we are obliged to pay handsomely for it, and it’ll also be trebling in price sooner rather than later. There is talk of the next PM actually scrapping the subsidy everyone pays in their bills for this ‘green’ energy, but that is a small part of the overall cost, which is set to treble anyway. Funnily enough, a lot of these companies which have bought the right to privatise wind in Scotland ain’t even British- let alone Scottish-owned, but we’ve taken their site fees whilst they’ve made it on the resource. This also represents a stealth tax for the entire population, and a literal money-‘spinner’ for the offshore interests.

The sum of all those turbines and their associated carbon footprint (in the form of concrete in the bases, as well as the total embodied energy used in their manufacturing and siting, etc) doesn’t add up to a whole lot of useful, reliable nor cheap electricity, but those who have an interest in them are doing rather better than those who do not. Base load energy could be supplied reliably and ‘greenly‘ via the universal geothermal resource beneath our feet now that viable and cost-effective laser drilling has been developed, but that is still a ‘bit’ into the future to be rolled out. We are meantime paying for the largely politically decision of turning our backs on nuclear energy, which offers the most reliable baseload generation and with no great carbon footprint to speak of, though modular Molten Salt Thorium Reactors supplying at local scale level would have helped enormously also. As usual, we didn’t fix the roof when the sun shone, and now the clouds are above us.



Still, it is what it is, and those with pension funds invested in energy firms may take small comfort in the performance of their stocks in such ‘interesting times’ and remember too, we are one of the lesser impacted economies in Europe - Germany for example is in rather an unenviable position, owing to their far greater reliance on Russian gas supplies, not least for domestic heating purposes, as well as industrial ones.

As the robin begins to tune up, we can put on another jumper and ‘enjoy’ the glow of the log fire in the dark.

 

[308tikka]

We are meantime paying for the largely politically decision of turning our backs on nuclear energy, which offers the most reliable baseload generation and with no great carbon footprint to speak of, though modular Molten Salt Thorium Reactors supplying at local scale level would have helped enormously also. As usual, we didn’t fix the roof when the sun shone, and now the clouds are above us.

This ^^^

And Thorium cant be weaponised (funny why it was not chosen at the beginning of nuclear tech) and there is an abundance of it.

 

[Fadcode]

This makes an interesting read, and clears up a few points regarding the tax status of the big companies, I think it's called capitalism.......or is it fraud?

Almost 1 in 5 of the biggest firms paid NOTHING last year

Where details could be obtained, 13 firms – equivalent to one in five of the 69 that came clean – either paid no corporation tax in Britain or received a tax credit from HM Revenue & Customs.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Interesting.
When drilling deep into the earth's crust, the temperature rises by an average of about three degrees Celsius per 100 meters.

Geothermal drilling: High-power laser weakens and fractures hard rock - Fraunhofer IPT

www.ipt.fraunhofer.de

 

[Fadcode]

i do find it interesting that people are ready to complain about the unemployed on benefits, when most of the jobs in this country one way or the other receive Govt benefits, Farmers, Fishermen, Steel Workers etc, there are very few people who don't actual receive a govt handout one way or the other. Nurses, Doctors, Police, Firemen etc etc, are all paid for by the Govt just as the unemployed the sick and the disabled are., it's just that some people are more fortunate than others.

 

[paultap]

This makes an interesting read, and clears up a few points regarding the tax status of the big companies, I think it's called capitalism.......or is it fraud?

Almost 1 in 5 of the biggest firms paid NOTHING last year

Where details could be obtained, 13 firms – equivalent to one in five of the 69 that came clean – either paid no corporation tax in Britain or received a tax credit from HM Revenue & Customs.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

Creative accounting and lax tax laws mean that these companies can literally get away with daylight robbery. Every party in opposition claims they will close these tax loopholes once in power, but once in power seldom actually do anything about it.

HMRC seems to be more interested in pursuing private individuals than the big corporations. A lot of these bigwigs in the HMRC often end up working for these very same corporations, advising them on how to legally avoid paying tax!

 

[Rasputin]

i do find it interesting that people are ready to complain about the unemployed on benefits, when most of the jobs in this country one way or the other receive Govt benefits, Farmers, Fishermen, Steel Workers etc, there are very few people who don't actual receive a govt handout one way or the other. Nurses, Doctors, Police, Firemen etc etc, are all paid for by the Govt just as the unemployed the sick and the disabled are., it's just that some people are more fortunate than others.

I do not think that assumption is correct. I am sure there’s about 5x as many private workers as public so even if you add in all the subsidised likely a fair big hole.

The fact we have so many subsidised industries shows just how broken the market is.

 

[Scott Meredith]

i do find it interesting that people are ready to complain about the unemployed on benefits, when most of the jobs in this country one way or the other receive Govt benefits, Farmers, Fishermen, Steel Workers etc, there are very few people who don't actual receive a govt handout one way or the other. Nurses, Doctors, Police, Firemen etc etc, are all paid for by the Govt just as the unemployed the sick and the disabled are., it's just that some people are more fortunate than others.

Baffles me how people can defend the unemployed on benefits. You are right that many industries are subsidised by the government, the only reason being so that the unemployed on benefits don't starve.

Many of the subsidised industries still contribute more to taxation than they benefit from “government handouts” at least I know my farm does. Personally I don’t care if the government stops agricultural subsidies; our produce will only become more valuable and less affordable to those on welfare. It’s the same for everything; if the end consumer wholly paid the price for their consumption, we could lower taxes and most people would be better off.

If your single and over 25 your entitled to £334.91 universal credit, if you live with your partner and your both over 25 your entitled to £525.72. You get an extra allowance for your first two children and obviously if you are disabled or even better have multiple disabled children.

As you can see it doesn’t take much of a minimum wage job to beat the standard allowances; there are more job vacancies than unemployed people. WHY?

Answer: laziness

 

[Fadcode]

Baffles me how people can defend the unemployed on benefits. You are right that many industries are subsidised by the government, the only reason being so that the unemployed on benefits don't starve.

Many of the subsidised industries still contribute more to taxation than they benefit from “government handouts” at least I know my farm does. Personally I don’t care if the government stops agricultural subsidies; our produce will only become more valuable and less affordable to those on welfare. It’s the same for everything; if the end consumer wholly paid the price for their consumption, we could lower taxes and most people would be better off.

If your single and over 25 your entitled to £334.91 universal credit, if you live with your partner and your both over 25 your entitled to £525.72. You get an extra allowance for your first two children and obviously if you are disabled or even better have multiple disabled children.

As you can see it doesn’t take much of a minimum wage job to beat the standard allowances; there are more job vacancies than unemployed people. WHY?

Answer: laziness

Don't you know how sick that statement sounds

 

[Island]

Baffles me how people can defend the unemployed on benefits. You are right that many industries are subsidised by the government, the only reason being so that the unemployed on benefits don't starve.

Many of the subsidised industries still contribute more to taxation than they benefit from “government handouts” at least I know my farm does. Personally I don’t care if the government stops agricultural subsidies; our produce will only become more valuable and less affordable to those on welfare. It’s the same for everything; if the end consumer wholly paid the price for their consumption, we could lower taxes and most people would be better off.

If your single and over 25 your entitled to £334.91 universal credit, if you live with your partner and your both over 25 your entitled to £525.72. You get an extra allowance for your first two children and obviously if you are disabled or even better have multiple disabled children.

As you can see it doesn’t take much of a minimum wage job to beat the standard allowances; there are more job vacancies than unemployed people. WHY?

Answer: laziness

Seems to me that there are an awful lot of Daily Mail readers partaking in this thread....

 

[Scott Meredith]

Don't you know how sick that statement sounds

Absolutely. I don’t wish anyone to be disabled ever! I support universal credit where it’s warranted; ordinary people get made redundant all the time and need some support until they find a new job. It’s a sad and harsh reality that there is a very large number of families who have became professional benefits claimants. They fully understand that, in their situation it pays to be disabled. They are willing to spend their entire lives claiming as much as possible whilst doing nothing to help themselves actually get anywhere on their own.

In Scotland further education is free, bus travel for under 25s is free, there are countless schemes and legislation to ensure that children are given equal chances; it’s a good thing. Yet so many are literally subsidised to find work in a saturated job market, and somehow they fail. The odds are stacked in favour of the fit for work category. This is an arrogance that should be chastened.

 

[308tikka]

I only read the Telegraph unless Im researching and Im amazed this country still - collectively - is addicted to handouts. And that isnt Nurses of firefighters-they have a societal function which society pays for.

The country has returned to WW2 levels of debt for something that had a 99.8 survival rate and an additional cost in hiding from reality (lockdowns) have caused a similar amount of deaths by delaying surgeries or diagnoses.

There is a large correlation between obesity, heart disease, cancers, diabetes, and the too lazy to work, too lazy to cook properly.

I have no objection to providing benefits for those who have paid into the system, for the remainder I would welcome society putting them to use as fruitpickers and roadsweepers or some other activity that isnt stuffing KFC down their gullets while watching Love Island.

 

[downwind]

Absolutely. I don’t wish anyone to be disabled ever! I support universal credit where it’s warranted; ordinary people get made redundant all the time and need some support until they find a new job. It’s a sad and harsh reality that there is a very large number of families who have became professional benefits claimants. They fully understand that, in their situation it pays to be disabled. They are willing to spend their entire lives claiming as much as possible whilst doing nothing to help themselves actually get anywhere on their own.

In Scotland further education is free, bus travel for under 25s is free, there are countless schemes and legislation to ensure that children are given equal chances; it’s a good thing. Yet so many are literally subsidised to find work in a saturated job market, and somehow they fail. The odds are stacked in favour of the fit for work category. This is an arrogance that should be chastened.

Have you met my neighbours, do you know them??

 

[kamyonsofor]

Good point.
I always go by TV size, the poorer the people the bigger the TV. Some people are so poor that have top brand clothing, lovely sleeve tattoos and fine jewellery.

You must know the 7 neighbours across the road from us then."Work" is a 4 letter word to them.What happened to the saying "you reap what you sow" their crops would be barren.

 

[TURNBOLT]

i do find it interesting that people are ready to complain about the unemployed on benefits, when most of the jobs in this country one way or the other receive Govt benefits, Farmers, Fishermen, Steel Workers etc, there are very few people who don't actual receive a govt handout one way or the other. Nurses, Doctors, Police, Firemen etc etc, are all paid for by the Govt just as the unemployed the sick and the disabled are., it's just that some people are more fortunate than others.

Nothing to do with some people having a better work ethic then ?

 

[kes]

If we dispense with the very left and right arguments here then energy is expensive in all its forms - a mild peturbation in the flux in Ukraine (energy -wise) and anyone who can, rams up their prices. I think its appalling where profit comes entirely before people. Profits could be a lot smaller and still be increased. Capitalism without conscience should die and capitalism with a social conscience should be the norm.
Even Margaret Thatcher lost that argument at the end of her career and I admired her considerably.
I agree to the view that you insulate, reduce consumption, find alternative forms of energy - I use 10 tons of wood a year and have solar - I will be adding a few more layers of insulation where I can.
We should have used the expertise we had 15-20 years ago and replaced coal progressively with nuclear and put in super fail-safe systems. Chernobyl, Five Mile Island and Fukushima did no-one any favours and no-one can see past the old tec. I'd go nuclear tomorrow.
The big energy companies cant complain when we shut them out - they couldn't give a cuss for the consumer only the shareholder. Saudi Arabia and the gulf states hold most of the west to ransom and I don't mean Osama Bin Laden or his latest incarnation.

 

[Jagare]

There is a lot of abuse of the welfare system and many who won't work or are unemployable. There are also farmers who are abusing the subside system. large companies not paying their fair share of taxes. Then we have the banking sector who as I recall about 2008 by their own greed and dodgy dealings cause a recession and were bailed out by the tax payer. Now we have power companies price gouging. But lets just blame those at the bottom of the pile and forget about all the other pigs with their snouts in the trough. And for those who have happily lived on the minimum wage how about a bit of context about how they did that.

 

[Camdig]

Great Reset in action get ready for social credit system, carbon credit system oh and you will own nothing and be happy.

 

[Camdig]

Poor people are reinvesting in government by buying highly taxed goods (tobacco and alcohol) while shortening their lifes win win if you are the government