Greta…

[User00035]

On another forum I visit pretty frequently, in a similar thread the subject of rain forests and deforestation came up. I brought up the Taiga forest of the northern hemisphere, reminding people that this arboreal wilderness is vastly larger than all the tropical rain forests of the world combined and absorbs more carbon, yet is almost completely off the environmentalist's radar.
My concern was Russia - effectively an outlaw state - which has a vast area of this forest within its territory. I've had the good fortune to fly over Siberia and the entire northern territory of the Russian federation from Finland to the Sea of Japan in unbroken sunshine, and travelling on a jet at 600 mph all you can see out of the window for 8 hours solid is an uninhabited wilderness of snow-covered forest and frozen rivers that recedes into the distance where the curvature of the earth meets the blue of space, with not a city or a road in sight. I can honestly say it's a life changing experience.

I'm well aware of the threat from logging and pollution to these forests, but what I didn't know was that the Canadian and Alaskan Taiga is being felled, chipped and pelleted, loaded onto vast diesel-powered ships and transported across the Atlantic to the UK to be burnt in the Drax power station as a "renewable fuel". And even without the huge transport footprint, less energy is produced per tonne of carbon from this desecration than would be if we burned Nottinghamshire coal and blew the smoke straight into the sky out of a brick stack. All to tick a green box or two, get a few egotists re-elected and generate some virtue signaling headlines.

 

[308tikka]

On another forum I visit pretty frequently, in a similar thread the subject of rain forests and deforestation came up. I brought up the Taiga forest of the northern hemisphere, reminding people that this arboreal wilderness is vastly larger than all the tropical rain forests of the world combined and absorbs more carbon, yet is almost completely off the environmentalist's radar.
My concern was Russia - effectively an outlaw state - which has a vast area of this forest within its territory. I've had the good fortune to fly over Siberia and the entire northern territory of the Russian federation from Finland to the Sea of Japan in unbroken sunshine, and travelling on a jet at 600 mph all you can see out of the window for 8 hours solid is an uninhabited wilderness of snow-covered forest and frozen rivers that recedes into the distance where the curvature of the earth meets the blue of space, with not a city or a road in sight. I can honestly say it's a life changing experience.

I'm well aware of the threat from logging and pollution to these forests, but what I didn't know was that the Canadian and Alaskan Taiga is being felled, chipped and pelleted, loaded onto vast diesel-powered ships and transported across the Atlantic to the UK to be burnt in the Drax power station as a "renewable fuel". And even without the huge transport footprint, less energy is produced per tonne of carbon from this desecration than would be if we burned Nottinghamshire coal and blew the smoke straight into the sky out of a brick stack. All to tick a green box or two, get a few egotists re-elected and generate some virtue signaling headlines.

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[mchughcb]

On another forum I visit pretty frequently, in a similar thread the subject of rain forests and deforestation came up. I brought up the Taiga forest of the northern hemisphere, reminding people that this arboreal wilderness is vastly larger than all the tropical rain forests of the world combined and absorbs more carbon, yet is almost completely off the environmentalist's radar.
My concern was Russia - effectively an outlaw state - which has a vast area of this forest within its territory. I've had the good fortune to fly over Siberia and the entire northern territory of the Russian federation from Finland to the Sea of Japan in unbroken sunshine, and travelling on a jet at 600 mph all you can see out of the window for 8 hours solid is an uninhabited wilderness of snow-covered forest and frozen rivers that recedes into the distance where the curvature of the earth meets the blue of space, with not a city or a road in sight. I can honestly say it's a life changing experience.

I'm well aware of the threat from logging and pollution to these forests, but what I didn't know was that the Canadian and Alaskan Taiga is being felled, chipped and pelleted, loaded onto vast diesel-powered ships and transported across the Atlantic to the UK to be burnt in the Drax power station as a "renewable fuel". And even without the huge transport footprint, less energy is produced per tonne of carbon from this desecration than would be if we burned Nottinghamshire coal and blew the smoke straight into the sky out of a brick stack. All to tick a green box or two, get a few egotists re-elected and generate some virtue signaling headlines.

Thanks for that. Ive seen something similar before and dotto for biodiesel. On the one hand its the most renewable energy source on the otherhand coal saved the forest's from extinction and have powered the industrial revolution ever since.

 

[mchughcb]

On another forum I visit pretty frequently, in a similar thread the subject of rain forests and deforestation came up. I brought up the Taiga forest of the northern hemisphere, reminding people that this arboreal wilderness is vastly larger than all the tropical rain forests of the world combined and absorbs more carbon, yet is almost completely off the environmentalist's radar.
My concern was Russia - effectively an outlaw state - which has a vast area of this forest within its territory. I've had the good fortune to fly over Siberia and the entire northern territory of the Russian federation from Finland to the Sea of Japan in unbroken sunshine, and travelling on a jet at 600 mph all you can see out of the window for 8 hours solid is an uninhabited wilderness of snow-covered forest and frozen rivers that recedes into the distance where the curvature of the earth meets the blue of space, with not a city or a road in sight. I can honestly say it's a life changing experience.

I'm well aware of the threat from logging and pollution to these forests, but what I didn't know was that the Canadian and Alaskan Taiga is being felled, chipped and pelleted, loaded onto vast diesel-powered ships and transported across the Atlantic to the UK to be burnt in the Drax power station as a "renewable fuel". And even without the huge transport footprint, less energy is produced per tonne of carbon from this desecration than would be if we burned Nottinghamshire coal and blew the smoke straight into the sky out of a brick stack. All to tick a green box or two, get a few egotists re-elected and generate some virtue signaling headlines.

Putin isn't so stupid. He's got a lot of high value energy such as oil, coal, gas and uranium. For 136M people domestic supply thats plenty they don't have to lay the forests to waste.

At least he can stay awake.

 

[Klenchblaize]

On another forum I visit pretty frequently, in a similar thread the subject of rain forests and deforestation came up. I brought up the Taiga forest of the northern hemisphere, reminding people that this arboreal wilderness is vastly larger than all the tropical rain forests of the world combined and absorbs more carbon, yet is almost completely off the environmentalist's radar.
My concern was Russia - effectively an outlaw state - which has a vast area of this forest within its territory. I've had the good fortune to fly over Siberia and the entire northern territory of the Russian federation from Finland to the Sea of Japan in unbroken sunshine, and travelling on a jet at 600 mph all you can see out of the window for 8 hours solid is an uninhabited wilderness of snow-covered forest and frozen rivers that recedes into the distance where the curvature of the earth meets the blue of space, with not a city or a road in sight. I can honestly say it's a life changing experience.

I'm well aware of the threat from logging and pollution to these forests, but what I didn't know was that the Canadian and Alaskan Taiga is being felled, chipped and pelleted, loaded onto vast diesel-powered ships and transported across the Atlantic to the UK to be burnt in the Drax power station as a "renewable fuel". And even without the huge transport footprint, less energy is produced per tonne of carbon from this desecration than would be if we burned Nottinghamshire coal and blew the smoke straight into the sky out of a brick stack. All to tick a green box or two, get a few egotists re-elected and generate some virtue signaling headlines.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Clearly I’m aware of and angry with the desecration of the rain forest but this does appear to take virtue signalling to a whole new level.

Kind of makes me want a dig a hole and link arms with Swampy.

K

 

[User00035]

It's the hypocrisy of the whole debate that grates. The militant climate warriors want to frame climate change as a political problem: it's all capitalism's fault. The politicians see it as an electoral opportunity: we will lead you out of this, and we'll all be happier, richer and greener, vote for us. And business smells the profit in virtue signalling - witness the nauseating "when you gonna do something" ad funded by Amazon which exploits the fears of children and their ignorance about the nature of the problem in pursuit of creating a global retailing monopoly while it's founder takes a vanity trip into space.

As Neil Oliver said in the video posted previously, it's not about what they tell you it's about.

 

[Alantoo]

I'm well aware of the threat from logging and pollution to these forests, but what I didn't know was that the Canadian and Alaskan Taiga is being felled, chipped and pelleted, loaded onto vast diesel-powered ships and transported across the Atlantic to the UK to be burnt in the Drax power station as a "renewable fuel". And even without the huge transport footprint, less energy is produced per tonne of carbon from this desecration than would be if we burned Nottinghamshire coal and blew the smoke straight into the sky out of a brick stack. All to tick a green box or two, get a few egotists re-elected and generate some virtue signaling headlines.

That sounds horrendous...more net CO2 into the atmosphere than from using fossil fuel? Those systems were touted to be enclosed cycle I thought, the CO2 released was just the atmospheric which the trees had absorbed. I would like to learn more about that, any links?

I went to a conference discussing the uses of Willow at Ness Gardens on the Wirral some 30 years ago. I attended a lecture about the local community scale wood burning power generation (which included the excess heat / exhaust piped around the village) used in Scandinavia with low miles of Biodiesel transporting fuel to plant, using fast growing willow to feed them...I had gathered that was touted as being an enclosed C02 cycle...

Alan

 

[Alantoo]

That sounds horrendous...more net CO2 into the atmosphere than from using fossil fuel? Those systems were touted to be enclosed cycle I thought, the CO2 released was just the atmospheric which the trees had absorbed. I would like to learn more about that, any links?

@Finch ....found this which has links to reports on the net effect...that has sorted my "light" reading for a few hours!

A burning issue: biomass is the biggest source of renewable energy consumed in the UK - Office for National Statistics

Energy from renewable sources exceeded 10% of the UK’s overall energy consumption for the first time In 2017. More than a quarter of this renewable energy came from burning wood, the largest single source of renewable energy in the UK.

www.ons.gov.uk

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/349024/BEAC_Report_290814.pdf

 

[kenbro]

My wood burner comes under attack, but “Clean” electricity can be made by burning WOOD.
As they say: Go figure!
K.

 

[Ade8mm]

My wood burner comes under attack, but “Clean” electricity can be made by burning WOOD.
As they say: Go figure!
K.

You'll have to buy "kiln dried" wood from now on. That way the idiots will be happy.

 

[Franchi Matt]

Love her hate her ,I don’t see anyone else sticking up for what actually needs to happen rather than talking about it ,pledging nothing and doing less .
Same as the insulate mob ,they are a pain in the arse but I can see the why and passion involved .We are so intent on living our lives to the full and feck everybody else that climate change is someone else’s problem .
On one of the morning programs ,Richard Maidley tried to make a guest look small by continually asking menial questions in the scheme of things and not trying to address the bigger picture .
To me be looked the arsehole .
Yes these people are a right pain and inconvenience but what else is there left bar extreme protest .
Government is stringing us along big time ,all the while scheming to make money on the pretence of helping the planet .
Of course everyone’s upset about the repercussions in traffic ,the strokes the missed surgery etc but in the scheme of things it pales into nothing if change in the right direction is brought about .
This young lady has far more balls than any on here I’d say .How many of you whingers actually give two fecks about the planet and adjust your lifestyle to live greener ,none I’d say .
The bigger picture is far greater than we ,in this moment can possibly understand but the few who are prepared to speak out see it .All we see as selfish individuals is the inconvenience on the day ,the hype that no one wants to discuss and the face of the individual trying their best to get the issue world wide .
It shouldn’t be up to a young girl to say these things it should be world leaders but the cretins just want us to shut the feck up whilst they coin in personal gain .
Roll on a revolution ,a reset in time where these real c.u.n.t.s in power can be held accountable and dealt with .

Apart for your - roll on the revolution- comment I totally agree with you.
Like this COP summit..... all smoke and mirrors, and as always the onus is being put on the general population to make the changes required to help reduce the effects of global warming as the bunch of bell ends (worls leaders) at COP as usual achieved f ck all, apart from a mega carbon footprint in hosting the thing and gathering all the blithering idiots in the same building.

 

[Klenchblaize]

The award of the Century, for the person with more front than Brighton Beach and a statement of no less crass proportion, has to go to the guy (Alok Sharma) who announced at the COP26 Summit that Financiers and Politicians are ‘new Swampys’.

What a knob!

K

Cop26: Sharma’s claim bankers are ‘new Swampys’ is appropriation, says activist

Summit president’s comments on finance day accused of trying to commercialise climate activism

www.google.co.uk

 

[Alantoo]

Green wash is far more irritating to eco warriors than climate change sceptics evidently.

According to this, Boris’ ministers overturned the local plannng ruling in the last few months.

From Wikipedia about Drax….

The company has attracted a series of protests in the past: (i) a climate camp on 31 August 2006, attended over 600 people protesting against the high carbon emissions: 39 people were arrested after trying illegally to gain access to the plant,[23] (ii) a train protest on 13 June 2008, attended by 30 climate change campaigners who halted an EWS coal train en route to the station,[24] and (iii) a worker strike on 18 June 2009, when up to 200 contractors walked out of or failed to show up in a wildcat strike.[25] Also in October 2011 a fire started by spontaneous combustion in a stockpile at the Port of Tyne biomass facility.[26] Another fire occurred at the same facility in a conveyor transfer tower in October 2013.[27]

A "virtual protest" was held in April 2020 by campaigners, Biofuelwatch, which claims that Drax is the UK's largest emitter of carbon dioxide and that the wood pellets Drax burns are leading to the destruction of forests in the southern United States.[28] Protestors also claim that the company is burning more wood than any other power station in the world.[29]

The company is proposing to build a new 3.6 GW gas-fired power plant at Selby which is expected to produce 75% of the UK's power sector emissions once the plant is underway.[30] A protest took place outside the company's offices in London in July 2019[31] and further protests took place in Yorkshire in August 2020.[29] Protestors claim that the company is asking for substantial subsidies to operate the new plant "in addition to the £2.36 million a day it already receives for burning biomass."[29] After ministers overruled objections from the planning authority and decided to approve the plant, a legal challenge was brought against the ministerial decision but failed in the courts in January 2021.[30]

 

[JTO]

This young lady has far more balls than any on here I’d say .How many of you whingers actually give two fecks about the planet and adjust your lifestyle to live greener ,none I’d say .

There are laws to stop us saying what we think should happen.

 

[Alantoo]

I'm well aware of the threat from logging and pollution to these forests, but what I didn't know was that the Canadian and Alaskan Taiga is being felled, chipped and pelleted, loaded onto vast diesel-powered ships and transported across the Atlantic to the UK to be burnt in the Drax power station as a "renewable fuel". And even without the huge transport footprint, less energy is produced per tonne of carbon from this desecration than would be if we burned Nottinghamshire coal and blew the smoke straight into the sky out of a brick stack. All to tick a green box or two, get a few egotists re-elected and generate some virtue signaling headlines.

conclusions from...

https://assets.publishing.service.g...hment_data/file/349024/BEAC_Report_290814.pdf


237. This work shows that in 2020 it may be possible to meet the UK’s demand for solid biomass for electricity88 using biomass feedstocks from North America that result in electricity with GHG intensities lower than 200 kg CO2e/MWh, when fully accounting for changes in land carbon stock changes 89. However, there are other bioenergy scenarios that could lead to high GHG intensities (e.g. greater than electricity from coal, when analysed over 40 or 100 years) but would be found to have GHG intensities less than 200 kg CO2e/MWh by the Renewable Energy Directive LCA methodology.

238. The energy input requirement of biomass electricity generated from North American wood used by the UK in 2020 is likely to be in the range 0.13 to 0.96 MWh energy carrier input per MWh delivered energy, significantly greater than other electricity generating technologies, such as coal, natural gas, nuclear and wind. The Energy Input Requirement is smallest when (i) the transport distances are minimised, (ii) the moisture content of the biomass is reduced by passive drying and drying using local biomass resources as fuel, and (iii) the energetic efficiency of the technology is maximised.


Bring on the small scale Thorium salt reactors I say.

Alan

 

[opticron1]

Having seen all the kids and the divine St Greta of Sweden blocking the roads of Glasgow...... I did find myself wondering if these were the same kids who were bleating that their education was being ruined by having to do school work on line and not in the class room due to the horrors of Covid...... Added to that I wonder how many teachers have condoned the unauthorised absence from school - obviously they'll be wanting to penalise all the parents for allowing them to take unauthorised time out from their studies.......

 

[Ade8mm]

Having seen all the kids and the divine St Greta of Sweden blocking the roads of Glasgow...... I did find myself wondering if these were the same kids who were bleating that their education was being ruined by having to do school work on line and not in the class room due to the horrors of Covid...... Added to that I wonder how many teachers have condoned the unauthorised absence from school - obviously they'll be wanting to penalise all the parents for allowing them to take unauthorised time out from their studies.......

Seeing these posts really does make me think the biggest thing (other than too many people- see earlier) the human race has to deal with is outright stupidity. Perhaps we have now, finally managed to breed ourselves to an inevitable and justified oblivion.?

We can most likely date this rot back to the invention of the modern micro-chip.

(To save anyone the trouble of pointing it out - yes, I would not be able to post this without it - the microchip. Note we could all live without SD and all the other social networking platforms, really. We could )

 

[opticron1]

Yeah.....but admit it, you'd miss it all if it wasn't here. It's sometimes nice to have a moan about things.
Mankind is doomed - that's all there is to it, we can try and reverse all the damage we've done to the planet and try and save the World, but as we all know the ever increasing population will eventually become our achilles heel and the present Coronavirus situation will seem like a minor issue when the next worldwide epidemic comes along - whenever that may be. Hopefully not for a few years yet, I'll continue to live quietly and not use too much of the Earths resources until then.

 

[Klenchblaize]

The wee lassie has spoken:

“The leaders are not doing nothing ………”

I think I understand what she meant though!

K

 

[Mick9abf]

I wonder how she feels about the destruction of Scottish deep peatland (acre for acre a better carbon sink, and globally much scarcer that the rainforest) and the extirpation from its known haunts of our islands largest predator species, the extremely rare and now threatened Wildcat, both of which are due to be lost to a wind farm extension which is developed, financially controlled by and benefits her native Swedish Government?

I learned today that the ‘public enquiry’ to be held in regard to this is being rigged so that, er, members of the public can’t submit their concerns or address their views at same - one wonders who decides how these ’affairs’ are run/operate, and quite for whose benefit. FLS Scotland, the Land bit does not apparently include valuable deep peatland, and they’d prefer it that the Forest bit did not have Wildcat, which after all were extant there well before they and their non-native trees arrived. Naturescot? Aiding the extinction by trapping the purest ones they can catch and removing them to their distant, shiny-new, super-dooper multi million taxpayer funded breeding programme centre, and with any progeny forthcoming never to be returned to these parts, but to be ’released’ at a place and time of their choosing, within the Cairngorms National Park, where they are lacking. Such is their ‘rewilding’, more like jobs for the boys, at the expense of the Cats’ own chosen domain.

What say you, Greta? Sir David? Worst First Minister?

Do you have more info regarding this, PM if you wish, I find this very interesting and maybe more noise should be made.