And that’s the truth
Greta…
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Freeforester
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Do I like ivermectin? (No need to answer, lol!) I’ll drop you a line in the coming days.
norcan
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Population growth is now known.
It will reach its peak of 10-11 billion in 2100 and go down from there.
In almost every single country on earth, women are having less and less children.
No matter what religion, color or political system!
The population explosion came about in the 60-70s with new medications that reduced child mortality.
Instead of having 8 kids, and six of them dying, now 8 survived. All those 8 had their own families, getting 8 children, then 6, then 4, then 2....
We saw it first in the West-.. Women had fewer and fewer children as they actually made it to adulthood.
When parents know there is a high chance of their children surviving, they choose to have fewer, and spend more energy/money
on each child, so they will have a better life. Even in Africa..
The problem with Climate change is that it changes weather patterns, droughts, precipitation changes..
Where it was previously easy to farm, will in the future become uncertain.
Europes rivers will be less reliable, as glaciers are melting.
Midwestern US Farmland will have a hotter climate and less water.
Tundra in the north will start melting and releasing untold amounts of climate gasses.
Oceans acidification will ruin fish stocks.
But in 2100 approximately:
1 Billion in Europe
1 Billion in Americas
4 Billion in Africa
5 Billion in Asia
That is 3 Billion more Africans compared to today and 1 Billion more Asians.
And the "Old West 1st world" countries will be less then 10% of the world population.
Just imagine what your Grand children will face..
BILLIONS of Africans and Asians might have to move further North, to cope with the heat and find stable food supplies.
And your Grandchildren will know your generation knew about the risks and did f**k all to stop it in time.
Will they create Festung Europa and fight off anybody that desperately needs to migrate?
Or, will they let them in, knowing their Grandparents created the mess, and become minorities in their own countries.
Just to show the size of Africa:
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It will reach its peak of 10-11 billion in 2100 and go down from there.
In almost every single country on earth, women are having less and less children.
No matter what religion, color or political system!
The population explosion came about in the 60-70s with new medications that reduced child mortality.
Instead of having 8 kids, and six of them dying, now 8 survived. All those 8 had their own families, getting 8 children, then 6, then 4, then 2....
We saw it first in the West-.. Women had fewer and fewer children as they actually made it to adulthood.
When parents know there is a high chance of their children surviving, they choose to have fewer, and spend more energy/money
on each child, so they will have a better life. Even in Africa..
The problem with Climate change is that it changes weather patterns, droughts, precipitation changes..
Where it was previously easy to farm, will in the future become uncertain.
Europes rivers will be less reliable, as glaciers are melting.
Midwestern US Farmland will have a hotter climate and less water.
Tundra in the north will start melting and releasing untold amounts of climate gasses.
Oceans acidification will ruin fish stocks.
But in 2100 approximately:
1 Billion in Europe
1 Billion in Americas
4 Billion in Africa
5 Billion in Asia
That is 3 Billion more Africans compared to today and 1 Billion more Asians.
And the "Old West 1st world" countries will be less then 10% of the world population.
Just imagine what your Grand children will face..
BILLIONS of Africans and Asians might have to move further North, to cope with the heat and find stable food supplies.
And your Grandchildren will know your generation knew about the risks and did f**k all to stop it in time.
Will they create Festung Europa and fight off anybody that desperately needs to migrate?
Or, will they let them in, knowing their Grandparents created the mess, and become minorities in their own countries.
Just to show the size of Africa:
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Freeforester
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Another pesky party-pooper a-’raining‘ on their parade, so much for the ‘settled science’:
Bio diesel has its flaws, one being very hard if not impossible to keep from gelling in cold climates, the other is being extremely good at breaking up old deposits in fuel systems clogging filters. Quite possibly being even less lubricating to the injectors and related pump causing greater expense and vastly more down time for all who use it. My personal truck isn't rated for bio diesel past 5% total volume in fuel. If it can be made to work under all conditions I am for it. As a working coal miner I will add coal is a reliable, available energy source. The technology exists to clean the emissions. Let us be good stewards of the land and the creatures who inhabit it along side us.
captain jon
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Do you have a final solution?
countrryboy
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I do admit the climate is changing but has it ever truely been stable??
How long do accurate records actually go back 100+ years??
If were 1 min to midnight yet our records are only recording the 'last second of time' in the life of the planet.
There is plenty data from cores the differing plants that used to exist so suggesting massively different climates from now.
Was there not winter fairs on the Thames when it regularly froze over, and trees in many parts of scotland where they have since died out ( not harvested)
We're saying having more extreme rainfall/floods etc, which does seem to be the case but if u look where folk built proper old buildings, 1800's and earlier, how often does 1 of them actually flood?
So the floods cant really be much worse than wot they were used too, just we've built things in stupid places and increased the speed rain travels to rivers throu draining , concreteing over etc
Personally i think it is a massive gravy train that scientists have been using for years to push an agenda and guarantee funds for there continued research, it has went on so long now its considered normal and a 'fact'.
The other thing i see more and more of just recently is the lie that being vegie is better for the planet somehow than eating local meat, u see it all over tv now advertising all sorts of vege meat substitute .
Even eating locally grow veges in season it takes a fair bit of desiel to prep ground, plant possibly spray and harvest, is that less carbon foot print than an outside reared bullock or lamb?? ( possibly can see it being less than an intensively reared bullock fed mainly on concentrates and silage )
But when u add in all hese fancy veges we all eat now or even normal veges out of season, the carbon foot print must be massive.
For me obviously massive population is the real problem which no one knows how to even begin talking about it.
But also modern life styles and commercilastion of everything which always leads to 1 person being greedy then everyone jumps on the greed band wagon.
Even turn the clock back just 30 yrs ago, things were still pretty good really in UK, we all coped pretty well with no or rare foriegn hols, mibbee only 1 car per family hat was often fairly old, only 4 tv channels, no mobiles and no internet.
All these modern things have to be paid for, if u have a fancy phone + sky+internet u could be approaching a mortgage payment every month, no wonder were all skint
Look at shooting turning commercial, 30 years ago it didn't exist in this area now commercial shoots everywhere many shooting massive ammount of days, even dog breeding there during lock down, pure greed by many.
Same in farming this big is better mantra and economies of scale, just not right.
Lot of beef kept inside same with dairy and just the sheer scale of some farms now, i know 1 dairy milking 1600+ and only has 160 acres rented in his own name, constant tractors running slurry out and silage in.
30 years ago a 40-60 dairy was still viable and 120 was a big dairy
Same in big business, everything is just a number with no common sense shown at all.
The other thing which could massivelly reduce wasted journeys is these big national companies either using local subbies for jobs or actually looking where there different squads come from and sending hem to local jobs.
I mind working on the railway 20 odd years ago and we would travel 2-4 hrs each way for a night shift, and quite often u'd see other squads travelling the oppisate way. U meet up with them on a big job and find u were travelling near where they live while they were travelling to ur area, some of these jobs would last for months of travelling every sat night.
My folks had a small B&B after we moved out and the ammount of times got a tradesman in staying overnight on the way to fix a shelf or rewire a light switch, literally minutesto a few hours work and travelling 3-4 hrs each way with an overnight stop all because a certain company always use the same company to do there work. Often subbies travelling up from manchester to glasgow
A mate travels all over uk putting up palisade fencing round phone masts, u coudnt get easier fencing to stick up just like a big meccano set, just all wasted travel and it must be expensive paying for the deisel, travel time and digs when almost anyone can put them up.
Just cutting out needless wasted journeys would fairly help both congestion and emissions and shoulkd make all sots of thing cheaper.
I'm not even going to start on 'green energy' almost all of it is 1 massive scam as figures are very selective to make them look good and its the subsides keeping the gravy train going.
I thought many folk knew about importing boimass chip from america, just bonkers, who comes up with these ideas.
But even the amount of road miles timber and boimass is hauled in this country is mental.
1 wind farm i was on hauling timber from near ayr down to very bottom of cumbria, 1 load a day was all the timber wagons were getting. Lot of CO2 plus drivers time for 20T of timber
Wind farms often claim to be carbon neutral but i'd love to see the carbon footprint to build 1.
Another had around 400,000T estimated to come off it, very roughly speaking u'll be 2000 litres of diesel to harvest and forward about 1000T of timber.
Thats a serious amount of diesel just on the forestry side alone and that will be tiny compared to wot the civils use.
Everywhere u looked was a big tonka toy with flashing lights
I think the founds for a turbine are something like 32 x 6 cube wagons continuous pour, which is a bit of concrete, i noticed on a bag of cement just yesterday that it produces 20kg of CO2 for 25kg of cement, Dread to think how many kgs of CO2 in a wind turbine pile/found
How long do accurate records actually go back 100+ years??
If were 1 min to midnight yet our records are only recording the 'last second of time' in the life of the planet.
There is plenty data from cores the differing plants that used to exist so suggesting massively different climates from now.
Was there not winter fairs on the Thames when it regularly froze over, and trees in many parts of scotland where they have since died out ( not harvested)
We're saying having more extreme rainfall/floods etc, which does seem to be the case but if u look where folk built proper old buildings, 1800's and earlier, how often does 1 of them actually flood?
So the floods cant really be much worse than wot they were used too, just we've built things in stupid places and increased the speed rain travels to rivers throu draining , concreteing over etc
Personally i think it is a massive gravy train that scientists have been using for years to push an agenda and guarantee funds for there continued research, it has went on so long now its considered normal and a 'fact'.
The other thing i see more and more of just recently is the lie that being vegie is better for the planet somehow than eating local meat, u see it all over tv now advertising all sorts of vege meat substitute .
Even eating locally grow veges in season it takes a fair bit of desiel to prep ground, plant possibly spray and harvest, is that less carbon foot print than an outside reared bullock or lamb?? ( possibly can see it being less than an intensively reared bullock fed mainly on concentrates and silage )
But when u add in all hese fancy veges we all eat now or even normal veges out of season, the carbon foot print must be massive.
For me obviously massive population is the real problem which no one knows how to even begin talking about it.
But also modern life styles and commercilastion of everything which always leads to 1 person being greedy then everyone jumps on the greed band wagon.
Even turn the clock back just 30 yrs ago, things were still pretty good really in UK, we all coped pretty well with no or rare foriegn hols, mibbee only 1 car per family hat was often fairly old, only 4 tv channels, no mobiles and no internet.
All these modern things have to be paid for, if u have a fancy phone + sky+internet u could be approaching a mortgage payment every month, no wonder were all skint
Look at shooting turning commercial, 30 years ago it didn't exist in this area now commercial shoots everywhere many shooting massive ammount of days, even dog breeding there during lock down, pure greed by many.
Same in farming this big is better mantra and economies of scale, just not right.
Lot of beef kept inside same with dairy and just the sheer scale of some farms now, i know 1 dairy milking 1600+ and only has 160 acres rented in his own name, constant tractors running slurry out and silage in.
30 years ago a 40-60 dairy was still viable and 120 was a big dairy
Same in big business, everything is just a number with no common sense shown at all.
The other thing which could massivelly reduce wasted journeys is these big national companies either using local subbies for jobs or actually looking where there different squads come from and sending hem to local jobs.
I mind working on the railway 20 odd years ago and we would travel 2-4 hrs each way for a night shift, and quite often u'd see other squads travelling the oppisate way. U meet up with them on a big job and find u were travelling near where they live while they were travelling to ur area, some of these jobs would last for months of travelling every sat night.
My folks had a small B&B after we moved out and the ammount of times got a tradesman in staying overnight on the way to fix a shelf or rewire a light switch, literally minutesto a few hours work and travelling 3-4 hrs each way with an overnight stop all because a certain company always use the same company to do there work. Often subbies travelling up from manchester to glasgow
A mate travels all over uk putting up palisade fencing round phone masts, u coudnt get easier fencing to stick up just like a big meccano set, just all wasted travel and it must be expensive paying for the deisel, travel time and digs when almost anyone can put them up.
Just cutting out needless wasted journeys would fairly help both congestion and emissions and shoulkd make all sots of thing cheaper.
I'm not even going to start on 'green energy' almost all of it is 1 massive scam as figures are very selective to make them look good and its the subsides keeping the gravy train going.
I thought many folk knew about importing boimass chip from america, just bonkers, who comes up with these ideas.
But even the amount of road miles timber and boimass is hauled in this country is mental.
1 wind farm i was on hauling timber from near ayr down to very bottom of cumbria, 1 load a day was all the timber wagons were getting. Lot of CO2 plus drivers time for 20T of timber
Wind farms often claim to be carbon neutral but i'd love to see the carbon footprint to build 1.
Another had around 400,000T estimated to come off it, very roughly speaking u'll be 2000 litres of diesel to harvest and forward about 1000T of timber.
Thats a serious amount of diesel just on the forestry side alone and that will be tiny compared to wot the civils use.
Everywhere u looked was a big tonka toy with flashing lights
I think the founds for a turbine are something like 32 x 6 cube wagons continuous pour, which is a bit of concrete, i noticed on a bag of cement just yesterday that it produces 20kg of CO2 for 25kg of cement, Dread to think how many kgs of CO2 in a wind turbine pile/found
See…I don’t think Greta started it at all, I think most people are aware of climate change however I think the differing opinions are if the world will explode within 10 years or not - my opinion is that it will not.
If I had to give the credit to anyone for raising awareness (and in a more sensible way than some antifa people thrusting their child into the public eye to get themselves noticed) it would be Sir David Attenborough as I believe he has a more realistic and pragmatic approach.
Climate change must be caused by those people driving the length of Britain in their Diesel sprinters…
(only kidding sir!)Regards,
Gixer
Grannysmith
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What a brilliant response to the pile of misinformation we are being fed
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