Guns unbagged before firing point

[Stalker-of-the-deer]

I did 24 years service and shot the 303 from 11years old with the Army Cadets. The rules there were: Simple, Enforced and Maintained

The problem NOT the rules, it’s the people who don’t follow them. There should be a penalty for not following whatever the safety rules are for you and you club

Difference is your not going to get filled in by a corporal on a civi range

 

[finnbear270]

Difference is your not going to get filled in by a corporal on a civi range

There is a penalty, "Dismissed the range".

 

[bottletopbill]

Difference is your not going to get filled in by a corporal on a civi range

We do as we have a x major who runs the show.

Nice guy for a change

 

[Jamsie]

With the rifle in the rack I may go off for a coffee, outside to talk to a friend or even wander round to the running boar range and shoot a couple of series. Nobody will touch the rifle without asking, and it will still be in the same position when I get back to it.

Its called trust! Clearly, the club members have embraced the range safety protocols and have no issue in complying.

I think that sometimes, certain individuals insist on going beyond what is deemed safe. They will tell you that we cannot have too much safety. As a (now retired) Safety Manager of 25 years plus experience, I can tell you it is both perfectly possible and highly undesirable to have 'too much safety' in place. Different ranges / situations may require different and more complex safety rules ... and that's fine, but every time 'someone' thinks that it would be a good idea to add another ingredient to the safety 'pot' ... it detracts from the original taste and may make a once perfectly acceptable recipe inedible. If someone really believes that additional controls are necessary, let them compile a risk assessment to justify that risk on paper.

Bolt fully back or removed, magazine removed and chamber flag inserted with muzzle ALWAYS pointed in a safe direction is safe (Period).
A firearm in a bag or covered is an unknown quantity (Period).
All firearms to be physically cleared at end of detail before bagging. (NO exceptions)

Firearm safety is not difficult. Don't complicate the issue by adding steps that fail to bring value. As shooters, we have enough of that nonsense to deal with as it is.

Jamsie

 

[cjm1066]

I just wish the military would bag their firearms when undertaking ceremonial duties. The of those banned firearms make me realise what a nanny state we live it, that's not good for my mental health

 

[Jagare]

Its called trust! Clearly, the club members have embraced the range safety protocols and have no issue in complying.

I think that sometimes, certain individuals insist on going beyond what is deemed safe. They will tell you that we cannot have too much safety. As a (now retired) Safety Manager of 25 years plus experience, I can tell you it is both perfectly possible and highly undesirable to have 'too much safety' in place. Different ranges / situations may require different and more complex safety rules ... and that's fine, but every time 'someone' thinks that it would be a good idea to add another ingredient to the safety 'pot' ... it detracts from the original taste and may make a once perfectly acceptable recipe inedible. If someone really believes that additional controls are necessary, let them compile a risk assessment to justify that risk on paper.

Bolt fully back or removed, magazine removed and chamber flag inserted with muzzle ALWAYS pointed in a safe direction is safe (Period).
A firearm in a bag or covered is an unknown quantity (Period).
All firearms to be physically cleared at end of detail before bagging. (NO exceptions)

Firearm safety is not difficult. Don't complicate the issue by adding steps that fail to bring value. As shooters, we have enough of that nonsense to deal with as it is.

Jamsie

Totally agree. I worked in the concrete repair game for nearly 25 years, and I was strict on keeping the lads safe. What I did notice over the years was that the more rules that came out, the less the lads had to think for themselves, and common sense became less common.
I also think in the shooting, deer stalking world you see quite a bit of, holier than thou attitude as though making more rules and making something simple into a black art makes them more worthy of shooting and stalking than others.

 

[Sonicdmb73]

Its called trust! Clearly, the club members have embraced the range safety protocols and have no issue in complying.

I think that sometimes, certain individuals insist on going beyond what is deemed safe. They will tell you that we cannot have too much safety. As a (now retired) Safety Manager of 25 years plus experience, I can tell you it is both perfectly possible and highly undesirable to have 'too much safety' in place. Different ranges / situations may require different and more complex safety rules ... and that's fine, but every time 'someone' thinks that it would be a good idea to add another ingredient to the safety 'pot' ... it detracts from the original taste and may make a once perfectly acceptable recipe inedible. If someone really believes that additional controls are necessary, let them compile a risk assessment to justify that risk on paper.

Bolt fully back or removed, magazine removed and chamber flag inserted with muzzle ALWAYS pointed in a safe direction is safe (Period).
A firearm in a bag or covered is an unknown quantity (Period).
All firearms to be physically cleared at end of detail before bagging. (NO exceptions)

Firearm safety is not difficult. Don't complicate the issue by adding steps that fail to bring value. As shooters, we have enough of that nonsense to deal with as it is.

Jamsie

I have worked on all sorts of sites. I was on building sites before I started school (no child care then). I can quite honestly say that not all done in the name of H&S has been an improvement.
I agree with the above in particular the bagged rifle being an unknown quantity, as I said in a previous post I don't have X-ray vision. You might add checking rifles are clear on arrival too as this removes the risk of a loaded rifle coming into the range.

I just wish the military would bag their firearms when undertaking ceremonial duties. The of those banned firearms make me realise what a nanny state we live it, that's not good for my mental health

It's ok they cover the scope, they're safe as houses.

 

[trickie]

We were in Windsor a few years ago. My wife and grandson had a photo taken of them either side of the Coldstream Guardsman on duty.
He was a young lad. I made a simple comment about how young he looked (not detrimental any way as I sighted up at 17).
The reply went along the lines of a laugh and retort: He looks much older than you did when we started dating. I smiled at the memories and my grandson mentioned it a few dozen times during the day.

The Guardsman in the photo looks about 14 to me. Definitely not a criticism