Hearing Protection while stalking

I've spent the best part of my career working with several of the worlds biggest Hearing Aid manufacturers and manufacturers of Cochlear implants. I suggest you try and educate them on your theory about "strongest" ears, or perhaps talk to your local audiologist. Strong ears cannot protect themselves from NIHL, period. Thats like saying my stronger eye is more resistant to getting injured from something hitting it.

Reducing the sound pressure (whether dBa or dBc) over time or in terms of the absolute max will save your hearing. Assuming your skull will protect one ear as its simply on the other side from the rifle will lead to hearing loss I guarantee it.

I think you somewhat misrepresent or misunderstand what I said, as does Big Ears, so perhaps I wasn't very clear.

I am not in any way advocating not protecting your hearing. I responded to someone who was mentioning that their left ear was more damaged than their right and I was detailing that this is a common occurrence but it may not be happening quite as we sometimes imagine it. What happened was that the military believed that if you shot right handed then your left ear would suffer most damage but they found that people who shot left handed also tended to mostly report damage to the left ear. Research was carried out and it was found that people have a "stronger" and a "weaker" ear and the stronger ear, most commonly the right, is less prone to damage. The research was specific to shooting. I'm not claiming this as my own work, I'm merely documenting what research is saying as it is a very interesting point that certainly changed my view on the matter. I didn't make this up as, quite frankly, I thought I knew how it worked and I would have the imagination to come up with this as a story. I suspect that Brian Moore discussed a possible mechanism for it in one of his books, I only own "Cochlear Hearing Loss" and "Introduction" so it will be in one or the other. Science is never settled, it might change or it might already have changed, but at the minute I suspect that we understand one ear to be less prone to damage than the other one. I also have made no claims that this means you don't need to protect your hearing, I have merely detailed an interesting phenomena and suggested a possible mechanism as to why many people report damage to their left ear despite, in some cases, shooting left handed.

Where confusion may arise that I am suggesting not protecting your hearing is when it comes to shooting a moderated rifle. As I've stated before some moderators on some rifles will reduce the sound pressure below the threshold for "instant" damage and into the world of "dose" and should you have such a moderator and rifle then it is safe to shoot it, for a limited number of shots, without wearing additional hearing protection. Some moderators claim an attenuation of 35dB as do some ear plugs and so both offer the same level of hearing protection, one isn't better than the other and you would gain no form of "magic" by wearing plugs instead of using the moderator. An attenuation of 35dB is an attenuation of 35dB. Some people may wish to wear plugs and use a moderator either because they are unsure if their moderator is adequate to protect their hearing, due to a medical condition, or just for the comfort factor of being doubly sure. In these cases what they are doing is a good idea, and if they are unsure about their moderator then it is very necessary.

The impact of the psychological condition of the subject on actual physical cochlear damage is documented in "Introduction to the Psychology of Hearing" by Brian Moore. I don't have a copy here (I own at least 4 copies all of which are on loan to various people) or I would reread it to confirm that what I have said precisely reflects the science on the matter so I would suggest that anyone with an interest does double check this statement.
 
A few years ago I invested in the best hearing protection I could afford (cens dx1). I am only 39 an already suspect some small damage to my hearing.
These units are fantastic for game shooting, rifle zeroing,range work, rough shooting, clay shooting an even any particularly noisy jobs at work. However I do find them less than perfect for stalking! My experience is that they amplify noise, as obviously they should, but they pick up a lot of rustling from clothing or in my case my beard on my collar…! This can mask or maybe make difficult to place sounds further away.
This is only my experience and perhaps the dx3 or dx5 may be better in this regard.
I am considering going to over ear ‘muffs’ just for stalking, and only pop them over my ears at the last moment.
 
@caorach , perhaps I'm misinterpreting, however when you say one ear is "less prone to damage" is maybe misleading me. I think both ears are equally prone to damage, however if the stronger ear starts at a higher level, it may take more damage for the person to notice a significant reduction, which would make more sense (to me at least).
 
It would appear this isn’t just an ‘old chap’s’ issue.

I am 32 years old, and have recently visited the audiologist. I have partial hearing loss in my left year, and have developed persistant tinnitus in the same ear. I am religious about wearing ear def (CFG passive moulded units) when i am shooting my shotgun, however I have never worn ear def when stalking and using a moderated (or unmoderated) rifle.

My job requires me to shoot a moderated rifle, multiple times per week (deer contractor), and I am advised to think really long and hard about the choice NOT to wear ear defence when shooting a rifle. I am told by my audiologist that a 12ga shotgun discharging next to your head is almost as damaging to one’s hearing than a centrefire moderated round being fired next to your head.

To that end, I have recently invested in some extortionate Expensive hearing defence from CENS. I plan to use them as often as I can, and hopefully I wont be entirely deaf by 40!

RS
The other good thing about using CENS is that these also amplify ordinary sounds so you can hear e.g. forest sounds more clearly and also earlier than without the CENS.
 
Hope you shoot off the left shoulder?
If not then you got it in the wrong ear. The noise comes from the muzzle so a plug in the right ear of a right shouldered shooter is useless. Needs to be in your left!!!
As an ENT surgeon, what ear protection do you use, when stalking with a moderated rifle?
 
I have to take annual hearing tests for my work and have mild hearing loss in my left ear. The Occ Health nurse took great delight in deducing I was a right handed shooter who hadn't previously worn hearing protection!

Most of my family are building trade folk with gearing loss in both ears.

I now wear electronic defenders shooting whether using a moderator or not. Hearing damage is cumulative and unpleasant. My tinnitus is an absolute pain in the a$%e.

I either keep my active ears hooked onto my jacket pocket until the last moment on a stalk or just have them pushed up on my head. It takes seconds to put them on but anything would be better than nothing.

Use what you can afford and what works for you but use something.
 
So what are people using when out stalking,

I saw a thread the other day on the effects of even firing one shot on your hearing, and it has started me thinking, I use hearing protection while zeroing etc but not while out stalking
I was an NRA safety assessor for a couple of years - nobody was ever allowed to take a 'Safe Shooter assessment unless they wore electronic earmuffs which I, (the instructor / assessor) supplied. I attended a BDS south east range day on BSRC range and TV star / SAS survival coach Ray Mears attempted to fire a moderated full bore rifle in the 'Deer Hut' (a confined space firing on moving targetry 100 yards downrange). Derek the Chaiman wasn't having it and insisted Ray wore electrnic muffs. If you don't want to damage your hearing - don't fire a shotgun or even a moderated rifle or stand less than 100 yards from anybody who is firing. I assessed plenty of ex-services guys who had been deafened permanently by NCOs who had ordered them to fire unmoderated rifles without protection. They had learned to lip read to compensate for NIHL (noise induced hearing loss). They were NEVER allowed to fire a rifle while I was assessing for 'Safe Shooter' which included 0.308 target rifle / black powder rifle or revolver.
 
At 29/30 I had quite a severe perforation of my right ear drum after an infection (8+) holes, in the last 3 years I’ve noticed a decrease in my hearing on that side, especially in the last year.

I keep telling myself to buy some decent ear pro as currently I shoot 2-3 times a week with none in (moderated .308) I always wear over ears with the shotguns but don’t use them much.

Good to read through this thread and gain some info on what’s available, for a few options to look into now
 
I agree with RM900 that the R9's are very painful to wear. Also I found them to be easily dislodged.
I use Surefire Sonic Defenders now which go in-ear and have never fallen out. You practically forget you're wearing them.
They are available in different sizes so I also got the smallest pair they make for my young daughter. They fit her perfectly too.
Each plug has a small flap that can be opened and closed to either increase protection or make conversation easier.
 
It only takes one bang to cause a permanent change and damage to your hearing and you won’t know which one it is. If your RH it will be your left ear that is affected and visa versa.
 
Yes the occasional shot will damage your hearing. How do I know this? Please speak loudly when answering. In the last thread about hearing protection one old fart seemed to get upset because I said that anyone who shoots without ear protection is a idiot. I wear ear protection for all my shooting and any forest or other noisy work. I wish I had started wearing ear protection 50+ years ago.
 
So what are people using when out stalking,

I saw a thread the other day on the effects of even firing one shot on your hearing, and it has started me thinking, I use hearing protection while zeroing etc but not while out stalking
Neither do I, but my rifle is moderated and I'm pretty deaf in the right ear any way
 
So what are people using when out stalking,

I saw a thread the other day on the effects of even firing one shot on your hearing, and it has started me thinking, I use hearing protection while zeroing etc but not while out stalking
Awesafe ear defenders. Electronic. Cheap by comparison. Maybe I was lucky but I got two pairs and both still working very well.
My stalking these days is mainly sitting and waiting though.
 
Also interested in seeing how you get on with Cens Passive. I'm going to get measured up in the next few weeks. Was out on Wednesday with my new 308 (20in with Stalon X108 on the end) with no ear protection. Fired 10 shots in the morning and I feel like I've still got ear ache in mu right ear today. Im also a right handed shooter.

Still under 30 and will never shoot this rifle, or my 243 (20in with Aimzonic Triton 42 on end) ever again without ear protection.

Thinking of getting some Cens passive and when not using them using a set of Peltor Sportac electrinics
 
Having had a build up of earwax, compacted by ear plugs, which effectively resulted in a loss of hearing, the difference when the wax was removed was shocking.

I had thought that my loss of hearing was pretty much all down to years of shooting.

It totally confirmed that spending money on, and using, good hearing protection is worth every penny.
And washing yer lugs oot periodically ...
 
I got them from ************* Plugs, after having moulds of my ears taken on their stand at the Game Fair one year.
Ah yes. Probably not them, but you get tinnitus for free when the plastic plug turns out not to be dimensionally stable...
 
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