Hortonium shot article - Believable? 50 guns damaged Denmark.
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Boiling water down the barrels is a standard way of clearing out the gunk from using black powder so I may take that with a grain or two of salt as the author doesn’t say what cartridge had been used.
But frankly we’re going to need a lead alternative for shotguns by the looks of it and if Hortonium works, can be produced in sufficient quantities to meet demand, and is cost effective then fine, let’s use that.
But frankly we’re going to need a lead alternative for shotguns by the looks of it and if Hortonium works, can be produced in sufficient quantities to meet demand, and is cost effective then fine, let’s use that.
gamebore say:
Specialist Cleaning Instructions: Using a bronze wire brush, remove the excess wad residue whilst dry. Next, spray a mild, water-based household cleaning product such as glass cleaner down the barrels and leave for a few minutes to allow the breakdown of any stubborn residue. Use the bronze wire brush again to remove any remaining streaks, followed by a rag or dry tissue to wipe away the remaining cleaning product. Dry the barrels thoroughly before applying a gun oil.
Not confirmed but Hortonium is claimed to be similar price to Bismuth shot.
Smellydog
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This is why we muzzleloaders don't use plastic. Much more heat is produced with black powder and it melts the plastic.
I think he makes a good point. Shooting bio wads to the point they start smudging the bore is dangerous as in the case of an extended continuous shooting situation.
As I have often said. The lead ban is designed to try and end or severely disrupt shooting sports!
I think he makes a good point. Shooting bio wads to the point they start smudging the bore is dangerous as in the case of an extended continuous shooting situation.
As I have often said. The lead ban is designed to try and end or severely disrupt shooting sports!
If it’s the same price as bismuth then it’s no good IMO - a quid a throw makes a morning on the clays hideously expensive and a bit of a non starter!!
jthyttin
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Please elaborate? MV doesn't come out of thin air, and neither comes pressure...
Smellydog
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I don't understand your last comment but apart from that it is a well known fact amongst muzzleloading shotgun users of common gauges the use of standard plastic wads will cause a vile mess in the barrel. I have the t-shirt.
Unlike nitro based powders black powder burns for much longer.
Nitro, relatively speaking burns for a shorter time but can generate significantly more pressure. Black powder, relatively speaking yields a lower pressure but by burning for longer produces a working pressure.
The longer burn surpasses what plastic can withstand.
Even loading plastic shotgun hulls with black powder is a one shot option.
A plastic shot cup can be used by cutting the gas seal portion off and use a fibre based firewall. Thin cards or cream of wheat etc.
But why would you??
jthyttin
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Smokeless powder burns about 2-2.5x hotter than black powder. But flame temperatures are usually quoted for higher pressures than in shotgun. Another problem is, everybody is keen to find out rifle powder flame temperature, while pistol powders would be more applicable to shotgun -> couldn't find reliable online source how hot smokeless powders that are on the fast side burn at shotgun pressures.
I can buy the longer burn argument, i.e. black powder maintaining temperature over X degrees for longer time.
I can buy the longer burn argument, i.e. black powder maintaining temperature over X degrees for longer time.
caorach
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That is the whole point of the "lead ban."
John Gryphon
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Yes yes yes.
"they" dont care a flying f(uck) about lead in reality and use it as another wedge, meanwhile "they" commute daily in their more damaging cars.
He’s already confirmed on here it won’t be as cost effective as lead….
