Humane dispatch pistol
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Have a .38 S&W special + lots ammo available if anyone’s seriously looking, can travel half way for face to face.
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StephenToast
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Not what I said at all is it? I said a rifle with an optic at 20m or under, or even a shotgun in very close situations.
As for a shotgun at 20m, I doubt if it would even kill a bull, ram or hog with anything but a slug at 20m. I’ve seen foxes hit with SG’s at that distance run on.
Thanks for the polite reply though
The bull**** that gets spouted on here.
Firstly. Why would you use SG's for foxes at all and think that they are indicative of the performance of a shotgun for Humane Despatch.
Having had quite a bit of experience of despatching livestock, I wouldn't consider the use of a pistol at 20m - I can assure you that you don't need slug for HD with a shotgun at that range.
Have you ever used a shotgun?
Yes but the figures in post 68 are for a full length shotgun, the figures I posted are for equal, short barrel lengths!So compare the figures in post #68 to this :-
.357 Magnum - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
If I run a .357 magnum through a 20” barrel I can get just shy of 1300 ft-lb with a 110 gr bullet, higher with a 125.
Really not sure where you are going with this!
jthyttin
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Yes, also by you. You want to intentionally NOT understand what he's saying. Especially if you imply having experience in HD.
He's saying that:
- unless you're at touching distance (or at least below 2 meters) it's quite difficult to hit exact spot you want with rifle [that is equipped for stalking, not HD]
- if you get above 20 meters or so, using [stalking] rifle is viable (and maybe only) option
- [regular] shotgun is not very handy at close distance, here I ASSUME we're talking about that 2 meters and closer again
Why is shotgun not handy? It's a two hand weapon, becomes quite ineffective and sometimes dangerous if you try to use it single handed (again, remember we're not talking about shooting single shot at static target in good conditions). Handgun on the other hand can be securely holstered until the last moment, can be used single handed (to control dog, the wounded beast if safe etc)
I don't think handgun is do all end all solution for unexperienced shots. If you want to see what experienced shots can do, have a look at IPSC match. Up to 10 meter or so pistol is superior to any kind of two hand gun (in two hand and single hand situations). That can be stretched to 15 meter or so, but the terminal performance of rifle round starts to take over since peak precision starts to suffer. Yes you can use more powerful handguns, but it also eats on the benefits a handgun offers.
Glad someone is understanding my post!
Not keen to argue with @StephenToast anymore, but yes, keeping over 1000 sheep and 300 head of cattle, plus helping out on a 400 head fallow cull annually, plus having a pheasant shoot on my own farm. I do indeed have enough experience using a rifle, shotgun and (sadly) a humane dispatch pistol.
Thanks for your concern though.
StoatallyDifferent
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Compromise with a .44 Mares Leg?
Danny25790
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Thank you all for your responses and great Information on this subject really appreciate your time and knowledge.
I'm currently looking at a ruger gp100 .357 I did also request a moderated. 22lr but was refused as dispatching caged fox/mink in rural/urban environments wasn't a good enough reason, I'm also aware that a .22lr has enough energy to dispatch deer with good shot placement (I know of a couple of people who use this) but unfortunately the powers at be seem to be obsessed with .357 for some reason when smaller calibres will do the job perfectly fine.
I'm currently looking at a ruger gp100 .357 I did also request a moderated. 22lr but was refused as dispatching caged fox/mink in rural/urban environments wasn't a good enough reason, I'm also aware that a .22lr has enough energy to dispatch deer with good shot placement (I know of a couple of people who use this) but unfortunately the powers at be seem to be obsessed with .357 for some reason when smaller calibres will do the job perfectly fine.
Rake Aboot
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Did they refuse the .22 because you wanted it moderated ?
Again, stupid made up rules rather than follow the actual guidelines.
Again, stupid made up rules rather than follow the actual guidelines.
Smellydog
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Good revolver the gp100
Unless you simply need it to make a loud noise to start an athletics race. Then "they" can have them with the full six chambers and easily reconvertible (just saw off the barrel where the block has been inserted) snib nose six shot revolver. All to make a noise to start a running race. Strange that. Revolvers banned in 1996 as the British National Pistol Association failed to defend their corner. Yet race starting revolvers remained OK. Now remind me of who was the British NPA figurehead at the time?
Danny25790
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It was because the magazine can be modified easily to take more rounds or an unrestricted mag could be purchased.
If its due to a trust issue with us then thats funny when they granted me a high capacity shotgun under section 1 which I'd say is a lot scarier than a little .22
If it's a criminal thing then a semi auto can easily have the slide removed for storage/transport same as removing the bolt from your rifles where as a revolver I believe you may need tools to strip for the same level of security(correct me if I'm wrong)
Danny25790
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I've done a little research and they do seem to have a lot of positive feedback.Good revolver the gp100
Danny25790
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My argument was that you can't moderate a revolver (I know there's a certain Russian revolver that can but that would be like rocking horse poop to find) so not ideal when trapping fox's through lambing seasons when dispatch would be in close proximity to pregnant livestock.
Just have to keep carrying the fox away to a safe distance which is easily done just inconvenient when you've got a busy day lol
Just have to keep carrying the fox away to a safe distance which is easily done just inconvenient when you've got a busy day lol
Danny25790
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It's advised to remove rifle bolts for storage but not to remove parts from a pistol, IF stolen a 2 shot revolver is in working order straight away whereas a semi auto with the slide removed and stored elsewhere is surely more safe/secure from thieves.
Surely that alone makes a semi auto safer to have ?
Smellydog
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Yes and no. A revolver is generally safer for the operator, especially if they don't practice much....
Rake Aboot
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Yup thought as much
Just stupid made up rules with no basis in guidelines from the home office.
Simply we don’t want you to have it cause we don’t like the idea
Danny25790
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I meant safer against the criminals thieving aspect of things.
Danny25790
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Same story different subject, the uneducated inexperienced blind person making rules about things they know nothing about.
Similar story with the sale of knives, they restrict the sale, delivery and import/export of knives and it doesn't actually change the criminal side of things because they just go to the local sainsburys and pickup a £2 kitchen knife(or steal it) I can't imagine them spending a few hundred quid on a custom deer/bushcraft knife to go and do bad things with it.
Their rules just don't make any sense other than to make our lives difficult or give the appearance that they are actually doing something.
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