Hunting wild boar
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How big is the enclosed area? The UK is fully enclosed by the sea.....
Without giving any context your question is pretty meaningless. You might as well ask "is it ethical to shoot animals" and leave it at that.
Out of the three posts you have made on Stalking Directory this is your second asking the same question - the other was in the Vets section here: Hunting
Why the fixation?
Without giving any context your question is pretty meaningless. You might as well ask "is it ethical to shoot animals" and leave it at that.
Out of the three posts you have made on Stalking Directory this is your second asking the same question - the other was in the Vets section here: Hunting
Why the fixation?
Jagare
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Why would it not be . Now we are going to get the ethical police getting all out of breath climbing up onto their moral high ground again.
palmer_mike
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+1Your sum total contribution to SD.
Care to explain?
EMcC
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When people talk about 'Enclosed Areas' they seem to get the impression that the Boar have been enclosed intentionally.
That is not usually the case, it is the woodland. block of forest or crops that were originally enclosed and the Boar have got in and due to the size of the enclosed areas have not been discovered until too late.
That is my take on shooting Boar in an enclosed area.
You never, or very rarely, hear of Deer being shot in enclosed or fenced areas but that is quite common in parts of southern England to my knowledge, where blocks of forestry/saplings have been planted as a cash crop and Deer have got in, usually through gaps originally made by Badgers.
PS. I might add is there any aversion, as there seems to be regarding enclosed Boar, to shooting rabbits that get into your garden - which is usually fenced/enclosed ?
That is not usually the case, it is the woodland. block of forest or crops that were originally enclosed and the Boar have got in and due to the size of the enclosed areas have not been discovered until too late.
That is my take on shooting Boar in an enclosed area.
You never, or very rarely, hear of Deer being shot in enclosed or fenced areas but that is quite common in parts of southern England to my knowledge, where blocks of forestry/saplings have been planted as a cash crop and Deer have got in, usually through gaps originally made by Badgers.
PS. I might add is there any aversion, as there seems to be regarding enclosed Boar, to shooting rabbits that get into your garden - which is usually fenced/enclosed ?
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Reading this, I can only think that you haven't hunted driven boar ?
I know from conversations I've had with non boar hunters, the impression is that shooting driven boar must be like shooting fish in a barrel, ducks on a pond.................. it isn't !
It's common for hunters to not only blank on a day, but the trip, and most hunters will count themselves lucky if they are successful.
levigsp
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I have seen enclosed areas from 50-1000 hectares, that are not only hunted, but the Boar are bred and released there for that purpose[sometimes shortly before], it happens in France, Hungary etc.
EMcC
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I have hunted wild boar since the mid sixties and more extensively since 2000 but have heard stories but never come across it yet with the odd exception where one has been kept in captivity to be fattened for a particular party/festival.
I have heard this story more so recently in Croatia and must admit to shooting three pigs on a shoot a couple of years ago that were in such good condition it made me immediately look for ear tags ! none were found but it did raise my suspicions in that particular case.
levigsp
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I saw pigs reared and released on a number of sites throughout Europe on my travels round Europe of the last couple of years [and none were tagged].
I have witnessed two shoots in Hungary, one in Croatia and one in Slovakia where pigs were released on the day of shooting or the day before!!!
I think its a case of doing your homework before handing over cash..
I have witnessed two shoots in Hungary, one in Croatia and one in Slovakia where pigs were released on the day of shooting or the day before!!!
I think its a case of doing your homework before handing over cash..
Would the price of the day not help indicate if it was wild, or "enhanced" ?
I shoot mainly in Portugal, on Monterias alongside the locals. Days tend to be from €75.00 to €150.00 Euros a day. On a trip a few weeks ago, my friend told me about a hunt attended by 25 guns, I think he said 80 boar were shot, of which 43 were males, and 25 were medals, the cost was €1300.00 for the day, 10 times the average ! He didn't want to believe as I did, that it was fenced, and boar were put on the ground !
So in some circumstances, maybe the OP has a point
reiver
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No different to comparing rough shooting pheasants and 300+ bird driven days here in the UK really then .you pays and get what you get!. just because fenced driven boar is not your or my thing many people are working on these hunts and making there living from it.Would the price of the day not help indicate if it was wild, or "enhanced" ?
I shoot mainly in Portugal, on Monterias alongside the locals. Days tend to be from €75.00 to €150.00 Euros a day. On a trip a few weeks ago, my friend told me about a hunt attended by 25 guns, I think he said 80 boar were shot, of which 43 were males, and 25 were medals, the cost was €1300.00 for the day, 10 times the average ! He didn't want to believe as I did, that it was fenced, and boar were put on the ground !
So in some circumstances, maybe the OP has a point
Try walking in there boots for a change instead of allways condemning the cost of shooting . Every body wants a good standard of living if they can ?'
Would the price of the day not help indicate if it was wild, or "enhanced" ?
I shoot mainly in Portugal, on Monterias alongside the locals. Days tend to be from €75.00 to €150.00 Euros a day. On a trip a few weeks ago, my friend told me about a hunt attended by 25 guns, I think he said 80 boar were shot, of which 43 were males, and 25 were medals, the cost was €1300.00 for the day, 10 times the average ! He didn't want to believe as I did, that it was fenced, and boar were put on the ground !
So in some circumstances, maybe the OP has a point
Reiver,
You have TOTALLY misinterpreted my post
Read it again, in the context of the thread, taking the results into account.
Then, you show me where I have ever condemned the "cost" of shooting, let alone "always" condemning it ?
Orion
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Very true, and I've not read anything in the posts on here suggesting otherwise so don't understand your criticism. If the locals set a price, (be it either for top dollar enclosed or 'wild' driven hunting), and are happy when you pay the asking price on the day locally, then they've obtained what they need to make a living from it and the UK hunter gets a good deal.
As has been discussed in other threads on here, some might not be able (or wish) to arrange independent travel and hunting, and therefore use an agent. Everyone deserves to make a living but having someone else make the arrangements will obviously come at an additional cost which can add considerably to the budget - just look at some of those advertised here and elsewhere.
Having said that the ideal situation must be 'swap' hunting with other hunters, and I guess the problem there is actually hooking up with genuine people.
Bavarianbrit
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I have never yet had to pay for a stalk or driven day in Germany since 1999 all the hunters I know seem to be happy to share their revier and of course hope/expect reciprocal treatment, I do this with getting them pigeon days in the UK FOC for them, works for me.
Eastern countries from Hungary etc eastwards seems always to be based only on financial gain whether it is for the high profit prices or just to make a living but money must always pass over the table, ask them for a receipt for the hunt and they get itchy.
Martin
Eastern countries from Hungary etc eastwards seems always to be based only on financial gain whether it is for the high profit prices or just to make a living but money must always pass over the table, ask them for a receipt for the hunt and they get itchy.
Martin
Martin,
You are very fortunate. A lot of us have no choice, but to pay for our hunting. I have one small permission with Muntjac, & Roe, and do invite friends to come there, but it's only 16 acres, I just shoot it occasionally.
You also can't really compare "friends" exchanging hunting with each other, and people making a living from selling stalking, or hunting trips, to people who don't have the opportunities some have.
Bavarianbrit
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Lateral, I do know that I have been very fortunate but my real point was that it appears that German hunters seem to find it bad form to charge coin.
There are of course hunting outfitters here who do offer driven shooting but this is almost always done on German FC forest land and not on private revier holders land.
Martin
There are of course hunting outfitters here who do offer driven shooting but this is almost always done on German FC forest land and not on private revier holders land.
Martin
ileso
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Personally I dont think the issue is whether it is ethical or not... its a bit like some bird drives etc.
Its more of the feeling that penned in boar are not really free.
I hunt in Portugal and where I hunt the Boar are totally wild and freerange, no one feeds them and they are difficult to maintain in an area with any certainty for a drive. It makes life a little harder for the hunter as their escape possibilities are endless, Its quite a sight to see a sounder of wild boar throw themselves into a flooded river and escape up the opposite bank which they have learnt from a young age is their best chance of escape... It comes down to the hunter and their personality. Some are in it for the shooting, but others are in it for the hunting.
Lateral, where do you have muntjac in Portugal? to have roe as well I imagine its in the north, but i have never heard of Muntjac here!
Its more of the feeling that penned in boar are not really free.
I hunt in Portugal and where I hunt the Boar are totally wild and freerange, no one feeds them and they are difficult to maintain in an area with any certainty for a drive. It makes life a little harder for the hunter as their escape possibilities are endless, Its quite a sight to see a sounder of wild boar throw themselves into a flooded river and escape up the opposite bank which they have learnt from a young age is their best chance of escape... It comes down to the hunter and their personality. Some are in it for the shooting, but others are in it for the hunting.
Lateral, where do you have muntjac in Portugal? to have roe as well I imagine its in the north, but i have never heard of Muntjac here!
Ileso,
I live in the UK, and the Muntjac, & Roe permission is over here, I just have good friends in Portugal, and I'm fortunate to be able to go over to hunt a few times a year.
I shoot similar areas to you, all open. I've only ever seen one sounder, with about 12-14 boar, but luckily (for me) they didn't have a river to cross
I'm starting to get excited about my trip in a few weeks, can't wait ...............
ileso
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ok, I had thought maybe there was some place here that had muntjac.
As for boar, I go to some drives but mostly just for the 'party', Its a great day out with friends and lots of fun, the boar being quite secondary in fact.
When we do hunt boar though its usually a very small team of 5 or 6 guys. We track the boar to find where they are holed up, then spread out and two go in with the dogs. Something of a mini drive.
Its very difficult though, very hard work. but terribly exciting. it doesnt always work to plan though, but thats hunting.
What we dont particularly like though is hunting in fenced areas or shooting boar at night. theres no real skill involved a personally i think its unfair on the animals.
As for boar, I go to some drives but mostly just for the 'party', Its a great day out with friends and lots of fun, the boar being quite secondary in fact.
When we do hunt boar though its usually a very small team of 5 or 6 guys. We track the boar to find where they are holed up, then spread out and two go in with the dogs. Something of a mini drive.
Its very difficult though, very hard work. but terribly exciting. it doesnt always work to plan though, but thats hunting.
What we dont particularly like though is hunting in fenced areas or shooting boar at night. theres no real skill involved a personally i think its unfair on the animals.
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