'I just like killing things'

[User00053]

Good to know, sounds like lucky young man, can think of several who were not “naturals” who made very good keeper/ stalkers, but if you keep investing your time and skills and he wants to succeed am sure he will, it’s the wanting bit that counts

 

[John Gryphon]

Bit like me but I’m a foot shorter

But I`ll bet a yard smarter!

 

[TomT3]

Anyone on here who denies that they enjoy killing things is doing some quite complicated mental gymnastics.

Don't agree at all, I enjoy the stalker, I enjoy a successful stalk more, but the thawck of the bullet hitting the animal is the enjoyment of doing my job successfully and humanely, not the joy of killing. I am stalking to contol numbers and put food on teh table, not for the sake of killing.

One assumes a rather substantial tip is in order for that privilege?!

 

[User00053]

One assumes a rather substantial tip is in order for that privilege?!

Wow, stalking is targeting the pink pound, film to follow, larder lust perhaps or my biarch wore tweed. Shocking.

 

[slider]

One assumes a rather substantial tip is in order for that privilege?!

The tip of what, the mind boggles

 

[User00053]

More to this stalking lark than meets the eye

 

[NewForester]

Not so, I love to hunt but I actively hate the killing part.

Similar for me. I wouldn't say I hate the killing part, but it is the part I like least. I feel the pressure and responsibility to make it as clean a job as possible.

 

[Smelly Yeti]

Anyone who can't sit quiet and enjoy just watching a wild creature that isn't a target species without wanting to kill it, isn't a shooter,

Exactly this Explained the same to my own kids once when I came back empty handed from yet another stalk. Had never seen so much of what was around me until I took up the sport. Just sit quietly & marvel at what appears.

 

[User00053]

Best show of all, those who have access are extremely fortunate and know it, others simply don’t get it, and there’s millions of them.
Enjoy while you can, but doubt your children will in the same way, forty or so years should see it done and dusted in uk, field sports refugees a thing of the future, better jump now those that can.

 

[Taff]

Were the words taken out of context ? I would never go for a walk in the countryside without taking a gun or bow, does this make me a killer ? I never take rabbits home leave them for what a lot of people call vermin. Vermin shooting in general is not done to protect livestock or crops, but because the shooter wants to do it, sorry to say there’s a lot of hypocrites post on this web site.

 

[foxdropper]

Were the words taken out of context ? I would never go for a walk in the countryside without taking a gun or bow, does this make me a killer ? I never take rabbits home leave them for what a lot of people call vermin. Vermin shooting in general is not done to protect livestock or crops, but because the shooter wants to do it, sorry to say there’s a lot of hypocrites post on this web site.

You on drugs !!

 

[Taff]

Now that depends on what you call drugs, most man made products could be deemed as drugs.

 

[foxdropper]

Try telling my chicken farmer foxes ain’t killing his hens or rats arnt chewing the wiring or pipe work in the sheds not to mention the food they eat and spoil .Try telling a cereal farmer the pigeons ain’t picking up the seed he’s just drilled or the rooks ain’t pulling up seedlings .We might get satisfaction from helping out but the pest thing is very real .

 

[Taff]

So what you are saying is you don,t get no satisfaction out of killing the animal it’s only a job that has be done, where have I heard that before, the farmer can fence his chickens, you can use gas guns for pigeon, instead of decoys to bring them into shooting range, just admit it that you enjoy shooting animals, I do, really miss digging foxes too.

 

[Ratel]

Taff you're in one part of the world we're in another, just accept you have your ways, some of us have ours. Personally I just get satisfaction out of a job done well..

 

[VSS]

So what you are saying is you don,t get no satisfaction out of killing the animal it’s only a job that has be done, where have I heard that before, the farmer can fence his chickens, you can use gas guns for pigeon, instead of decoys to bring them into shooting range, just admit it that you enjoy shooting animals, I do, really miss digging foxes too.

No, I don't think anyone is saying that they don't get satisfaction out of killing the animal. Quite the contrary in fact - the satisfaction of a job well done is coming through very strongly in many of the posts in this thread. The point that most are making though - and which you seem to have missed - is that the enjoyment comes from the whole process, right from planning the outing through to processing the end product, whether that be stalking, pigeon shooting or whatever. The act of killing if taken in isolation shouldn't be the only enjoyable part. That's what sparked the thread.
You enjoy digging foxes, with a view to killing them - that's great, no reason not to enjoy that at all. But someone who enjoys killing simply for the sake of killing is clearly a bit deranged and has no right to call themselves a hunter as the hunt is immaterial to them.

 

[Woodsmoke]

The point that most are making though - and which you seem to have missed - is that the enjoyment comes from the whole process, right from planning the outing through to processing the end product, whether that be stalking, pigeon shooting or whatever.

Exactly this. For example, if any animal was tied to a stake and in the middle of a field I challenge anyone here to tell me honestly that they could walk up and shoot it in good conscience (hypothetical as this may be). That would just be killing for the pure sake of killing, and that's just not what we do (although I have my doubts about some, reading through some posts)

 

[Ratel]

Exactly this. For example, if any animal was tied to a stake and in the middle of a field I challenge anyone here to tell me honestly that they could walk up and shoot it in good conscience (hypothetical as this may be). That would just be killing for the pure sake of killing, and that's just not what we do (although I have my doubts about some, reading through some posts)

Having taken part in the Foot and Mouth cull, I rifle shot a great many escapees, together with animals in sheds. I could not go on the estate where I was keeper, so worked for the Animal health people as a "Marksman". It was s job but to me a very harrowing one and I must admit being reduced to tears on a couple of occasions.(eg killing the last cow and calf of a 200 year old pedigree herd).
Did I enjoy it, NO, would I do it again, NO.

 

[Woodsmoke]

Having taken part in the Foot and Mouth cull, I rifle shot a great many escapees, together with animals in sheds. I could not go on the estate where I was keeper, so worked for the Animal health people as a "Marksman". It was s job but to me a very harrowing one and I must admit being reduced to tears on a couple of occasions.(eg killing the last cow and calf of a 200 year old pedigree herd).
Did I enjoy it, NO, would I do it again, NO.

I was in Cumbria during that time, and the palls of smoke were absolutely heart-breaking. And even now the merest whiff of formaldehyde takes me straight back to that time. You, and the other lads involved, have my utmost sympathy

 

[shakey jake]

i think of alot of pest control around farm buildings is because the farmer refuses to have a tidy farm. of course rats will turn up but with decent sheds and removal of harbouage points the number of rats killed is minimal. its only giving them the chance to establish that causes massive amounts, the same with chicken farms decent sheds stop rodents getting in decent fences stop most foxes. im not saying you dont have to kill but managing the environment better is the key. i have no problem killing most animal, i get great satistaction from "beating the animal" with any ethical option.
after all my waffle i think creating a problem that you then get to solve is a weird way to justify killing