INFO-ALL KNIFE MAKERS!!!!

[Cawdor118]

Whatever the truth to this, neither party comes across well. Suspect this may well be largely driven by the relationship with Purdey, and Emberleaf making knives for them now.

I suspect you are bang on?! I personally feel the guys at Emberleaf may have been coerced into this particularly poor decision by the conglomerate of Purdy. If they weren't, this is small business suicide. Maybe the company has bitten off more than it can chew? Either way, best of luck to both parties.

 

[User00040]

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[bluesako]

I'm guilty of being a knife hoarder call it what you will especially alan woods knifes the last one I bought is an absolute beuty.thanks 270 trooper. Most are secondhand cant afford the new ones☺.emberleaf I should be so lucky.the prices are mad

me to steve

 

[zambezi]

This thread has inspired me to get my files out again...

In particular, the shape of the knife in post #47 looks useful.

I am going to try some 1080 for this one:

 

[AN DU RU FOX]

dont forget to etch a cheetah on it when its done ,just to be on the safe side.

 

[FISH BOY]

Lee my thinking is very similar to yours. I too have a swingblade which is the most expensive knife that I have ever bought. It's not perfect but I like it a lot and am glad that I bought it. While I wouldn't buy a knife that was more expensive than that I appreciate that some people are happy to pay more and get enjoyment from their purchases,

This thread has inspired me to get my files out again...

In particular, the shape of the knife in post #47 looks useful.View attachment 172256

I am going to try some 1080 for this one:

View attachment 172257

Like your style fella, but someone already coined that design I’m afraid

Superb design for small deer.

 

[zambezi]

Like your style fella, but someone already coined that design I’m afraid

...speak to the hand...

 

[ezzy6.5]

Like your style fella, but someone already coined that design I’m afraid

Superb design for small deer.

View attachment 172269

One of my favourite shapes. Feels great in the hand. You crack on mate. At this point I don’t think it’s possible to have an original design. Make sure the radius where you’re index finger fits is big enough for your thumb to fit when it’s the other way up

 

[tusker]

Ok this is tricky for me. First of all I must state that the guys at Emberleaf are friends of mine. I am an amature knife maker I make knives in my shed with very basic kit. They have helped and given advise to me for a good few years now including the knife above. It is my idea of the Cael. They made the sheath for it as well as putting the edge on it and they were very happy for me to make this and I have another on my bench that I am making for my cousin, they will see it also as they will make the sheath for that.
If I remember the design for the Cael was thought of by a stalker in the New Forest and a friend of mine who used to be on this website and they approached Dean and Joel to make the knife I do not know were they thought of the design but it was about 9 or ten years ago.
I do know that they have been having trouble with some knife makers copying other knives that they make and have had guys bring the copies in to get them sorted out only to be told that they (Emberleaf) never made it in the first place.
So if you have a good product that you have developed and had success with it can not be wrong to protect your product. I will now put my tin hat on and duck but they are decent hard working lads who have time and advise for anyone who cares to drop by for a chat.
Tusker

 

[willie_gunn]

They must be nice lads to take in knives that are not of their own making and fix them.

But I would have to ask why, and why then use that as the reason to go legal with a fellow knife maker?

Presumably all their knives carry a maker’s mark, so wouldn’t it be obvious that the faulty knife is not one they made? If they don’t add a distinguishing mark, then how do they intend to prove that the blade design is unique to them and therefore something they can register?

Or are they suggesting that the knife makers who copy their designs also add the Emberleaf mark? Of course if someone is trying to counterfeit not just the design but also their branding, that is dreadful, but TBH that’s not how I read the accusation against Greenman Forge.

I still can’t help but feel that Emberleaf have started something that is going to end up doing them no good whatsoever.

 

[Utectok]

View attachment 172302Ok this is tricky for me. First of all I must state that the guys at Emberleaf are friends of mine. I am an amature knife maker I make knives in my shed with very basic kit. They have helped and given advise to me for a good few years now including the knife above. It is my idea of the Cael. They made the sheath for it as well as putting the edge on it and they were very happy for me to make this and I have another on my bench that I am making for my cousin, they will see it also as they will make the sheath for that.
If I remember the design for the Cael was thought of by a stalker in the New Forest and a friend of mine who used to be on this website and they approached Dean and Joel to make the knife I do not know were they thought of the design but it was about 9 or ten years ago.
I do know that they have been having trouble with some knife makers copying other knives that they make and have had guys bring the copies in to get them sorted out only to be told that they (Emberleaf) never made it in the first place.
So if you have a good product that you have developed and had success with it can not be wrong to protect your product. I will now put my tin hat on and duck but they are decent hard working lads who have time and advise for anyone who cares to drop by for a chat.
Tusker

That’s all true but they have been poorly advised it is almost impossible to protect simple designs. I used to advise the craft industry and the best advice was alway forget about it move on and make a better one. Big industry spends fortunes protecting designs and they often fail. Dyson used to spend 100s of thousands every year!
a textile designer tried once I remember and they said are but are there exactly the same number of stitches in the jumper? Case dismissed lot of money wasted on solicitors !

 

[Klenchblaize]

 

[Ade8mm]

Happy to send a few bob myself to support a counter-claim and sue their asses off. Arrogant twerps.

 

[hedge hunter]

View attachment 172302Ok this is tricky for me. First of all I must state that the guys at Emberleaf are friends of mine. I am an amature knife maker I make knives in my shed with very basic kit. They have helped and given advise to me for a good few years now including the knife above. It is my idea of the Cael. They made the sheath for it as well as putting the edge on it and they were very happy for me to make this and I have another on my bench that I am making for my cousin, they will see it also as they will make the sheath for that.
If I remember the design for the Cael was thought of by a stalker in the New Forest and a friend of mine who used to be on this website and they approached Dean and Joel to make the knife I do not know were they thought of the design but it was about 9 or ten years ago.
I do know that they have been having trouble with some knife makers copying other knives that they make and have had guys bring the copies in to get them sorted out only to be told that they (Emberleaf) never made it in the first place.
So if you have a good product that you have developed and had success with it can not be wrong to protect your product. I will now put my tin hat on and duck but they are decent hard working lads who have time and advise for anyone who cares to drop by for a chat.
Tusker

Tusker that is a beauty of a knife very nice

 

[unicorn71]

View attachment 172302Ok this is tricky for me. First of all I must state that the guys at Emberleaf are friends of mine. I am an amature knife maker I make knives in my shed with very basic kit. They have helped and given advise to me for a good few years now including the knife above. It is my idea of the Cael. They made the sheath for it as well as putting the edge on it and they were very happy for me to make this and I have another on my bench that I am making for my cousin, they will see it also as they will make the sheath for that.
If I remember the design for the Cael was thought of by a stalker in the New Forest and a friend of mine who used to be on this website and they approached Dean and Joel to make the knife I do not know were they thought of the design but it was about 9 or ten years ago.
I do know that they have been having trouble with some knife makers copying other knives that they make and have had guys bring the copies in to get them sorted out only to be told that they (Emberleaf) never made it in the first place.
So if you have a good product that you have developed and had success with it can not be wrong to protect your product. I will now put my tin hat on and duck but they are decent hard working lads who have time and advise for anyone who cares to drop by for a chat.
Tusker

That is a beautiful knife and imho better than a Cael

 

[Lateral]

If I remember the design for the Cael was thought of by a stalker in the New Forest and a friend of mine who used to be on this website and they approached Dean and Joel to make the knife I do not know were they thought of the design but it was about 9 or ten years ago.

Tusker

Based on your post, assuming your memory is correct, you have just suggested that the "Cael" design, wasn't even Emberleafs idea, regardless of anything to do with Green Man Forge, or anyone else who makes a similar knife !

Sadly, this whole thing is a nonsense, and any patent, IP, copy write specialist, worth a dime, should have done "due diligence" on this first, and advised his clients accordingly.............................................. OR, maybe they did, but it's always worth a letter ! OR, is it ????

 

[hedge hunter]

You buy the name not the product. It's the only thing that separates one copied thing from another

 

[hedge hunter]

That is a beautiful knife and imho better than a Cael

Its certainly a better shape to me that is

 

[deerstalker.308]

I wonder how well Jeff has done out of this, I for one placed an order off the back of this post with him to show solidarity.... he has a 15 week lead time so he must be busy, I don’t really need another knife but I always liked the shape of that Greenman stalker/caelesque shape, and I like that his is made of 01 tool steel too, keeps a good edge and easy to sharpen. Tool for a job.

 

[Tom D]

View attachment 172302Ok this is tricky for me. First of all I must state that the guys at Emberleaf are friends of mine. I am an amature knife maker I make knives in my shed with very basic kit. They have helped and given advise to me for a good few years now including the knife above. It is my idea of the Cael. They made the sheath for it as well as putting the edge on it and they were very happy for me to make this and I have another on my bench that I am making for my cousin, they will see it also as they will make the sheath for that.
If I remember the design for the Cael was thought of by a stalker in the New Forest and a friend of mine who used to be on this website and they approached Dean and Joel to make the knife I do not know were they thought of the design but it was about 9 or ten years ago.
I do know that they have been having trouble with some knife makers copying other knives that they make and have had guys bring the copies in to get them sorted out only to be told that they (Emberleaf) never made it in the first place.
So if you have a good product that you have developed and had success with it can not be wrong to protect your product. I will now put my tin hat on and duck but they are decent hard working lads who have time and advise for anyone who cares to drop by for a chat.
Tusker

Lovely looking knife!
I think if someone was passing off another makers knife as an Emberleaf that would be a real issue and I would support them taking action, in this case though they seem to have gone after another manufacturer who makes a knife with a similar design. If GreenMan was passing his knives off as Emberleaf that would be different. But he’s not. It’s like trying to patent a screwdriver, ok if you invent some new seven slotted screw head, but other wise it ain’t happening. They should have patented the exact shape and design when they started if they feel that strongly about it. Even if they did you’d only have to make it 1mm longer or deeper and you’d probably be ok. I just don’t see how you can protect knife shape, there have been thousands if not millions since metals were discovered, nothing’s going to be unique..