JR some advice.

kes

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I asked for some prliminary advice on a possible Judicial Review over medicals and conflict with Guidance, so far this is what I have received.


I write in response to your enquiry (omission) regarding a possible judicial review of the way in which the firearms legislation is administered and the associated guidance is implemented on behalf of the Chief Constable of Lincolnshire Police. You raised particular concerns about the apparent requirement for firearm and shotgun certificate applications to be supported by GP reports, even in cases where no relevant medical conditions have been disclosed by applicants.
I assist (Name), who specialises in firearms matters and who is also the honorary solicitor for the CPSA. Unfortunately (name) is on leave this week and next week looks like being particularly busy on her return, so I am sending this brief response now in her absence. If (Name), whose experience of judicial reviews will exceed my own, wishes to add anything further on her return, I am sure that she will contact you.
As you are aware, guidance was provided to police forces by the Home Office and the National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC) on the subject of medical evidence; GPs were similarly provided with guidance by the medical authorities. This was done in the hope of ensuring uniformity of practice, but some police forces and GP practices have since drifted away from the recommended course and implemented different or additional requirements.
Lincolnshire Police is not the only force to have strayed from the NPCC’s guidance, but there is no reason why you should not write to the Chief Constable seeking an explanation for why they have done so.
It is worth remembering that the law requires the Chief Officer to grant or renew a shotgun certificate unless he or she is satisfied that the applicant represents a danger to public safety or to the peace; it does not require the applicant or his or her GP to prove that no such danger exists. Similarly, as you will be aware, any decision to refuse an application or to revoke a certificate may be appealed at the Crown Court; those hearing such cases will hopefully consider when reaching their own judgement whether the practices which led to the refusal or revocation decisions were reasonable.
One other factor which may influence your decision on whether to defer any potential judicial review for the time being is that, as recently as last week, the Home Office announced a consultation paper regarding proposed amendments to the guidance relating to the administration of the firearms legislation. One of the proposals is that no certificate application should be processed without an accompanying report from the applicant’s GP.

I have attached below a link to the consultation paper and you will see that responses will be accepted from individuals as well as from organisations, so that may provide an additional forum in which to raise your concerns.



Statutory guidance to police on firearms licensing

So the change we do not want is coming as we all suspected - the opportunity for JR is all but lost - it would require a new case quickly brought. Sad to see the change from the underlined to the last line has been resisted by - no-one. it has been condoned and even welcomed for a quid pro quo which never materialised. This a fundamental loss of right and " the voice of shooting" complains that any objection to their consistent failure to deliver, is BASC-bashing. I leave you all to judge but the case is made and the organisation convicted for me. Seems the political route was never an option.

N.B. The response does not say that a JR would be pointless - just (in all but words) pointless now - as I have already said - this change is to legitimise what could have been the subject of a JR when the first case arose in England - if not Scotland - I need to look at the Scottish system to see if the political landscape militated against a challenge there - I will be back.
 
The new guidance on medicals which was published last month in the above link makes for some eye watering reading.
The consultation may end mid September but judging by what is written they have already made thier minds up.
 
The trouble with consultations is that the consulter does not need to act on the consulted wishes. ie, they are just going through the motions to state 'well you were consulted'. The same with the 'Guidance', it should be followed but no penalties if you don't! nor it seems does the action have to be justified to anybody other than to those of a similar disposition! Facts and proof to the contrary have no meaning to those with a hidden agenda. Even the referendum on leaving the EU does not have to be followed it appears, but many of the traitors will come to regret their decision to ignore the result in the future. There is a general malaise in that those appointed to look after our interests only look after their own.
 
As Davee says there are plenty of examples. Scotland - air rifles, Wales - pheasant rearing. England - anything to do with Guidance is a 'lottery' and should be 'known' in advance. The police have got away with NPCC blagging their way through the Home Office. It is time someone at the Home Office decided what 'intelligence - led' means and to ensure its applied to legally held firearms or sanctions result, maybe they should take more of an interest in FELWG ?
This is certainly not the 'Land of the Free' nor the 'Home of the Brave' - nor even a place where individual rights are understood and inviolable.
However, this provides no excuse for those who do not TRY.
 
N.B. The response does not say that a JR would be pointless - just (in all but words) pointless now - as I have already said - this change is to legitimise what could have been the subject of a JR when the first case arose in England - if not Scotland - I need to look at the Scottish system to see if the political landscape militated against a challenge there - I will be back.
The JR may be pointless now but a could a JR not be utilised once the new legislation is implemented (enforced upon us) with unjust requirements, or would that not be the appropriate legal instrument?
 
No MD. As a Court cannot challenge any Act of Parliament save, alone, if it conflicts with what are known as something or other (I forget) that are the Bill of Rights, the Statute of Westminster 1931 and a couple of other Acts. Then also, and additionally and for the present, certain European Union legislation. So Parliament could enact legislation requiring your rifle to be stored at home but the bolt stored at a secure shooting range (if you were a target shooter) and there's nothing a Court could do to say that is unreasonable.
 
The JR may be pointless now but a could a JR not be utilised once the new legislation is implemented (enforced upon us) with unjust requirements, or would that not be the appropriate legal instrument?

The point I think about medicals currently, is that the Police, a public body, are ignoring the HO Expert advice and unreasonably requiring the applicant/renewer to provide a medical assessment prior to grant. This is beyond the requirements stated in 'expert' guidance and is based on no consultation with gun owners - it has been forced upon them. It is therefore an abuse of powers (unreasonable requirement) under HO guidance (which I say again is expert (since it is also accepted by the NPCC)) and represents (in my view) an absolutely obvious abuse.

Once the consultation has been carried out (and ignored) then it may apply that JR would succeed but then consultation, a fundamental, would have been carried out, That situation would definitely require a legal mind to agree or obviate a case. Enfieldspares is correct about 'Government Policy' as enacted. This may be statutory guidance but it has to have enabling legislatiion under a previous firearms Act which allows the S of S for The Home Office to make such guidance as he sees fit then it becomes government policy.
The first case (prior to consultation) is as obvious as the nose on your face, the second, less so, but coming on the heels of the previous guidance where no medical was required it could, because of the statistics, be argued to being unreasonable and therefore should be struck down.
I am unsure about after consultation as the guidance has been produced by a joint working of HO and NPCC. Only when Enacted - nodded through' does it become government policy and unchallengeable (in theory).


I'll tell you more detail if I win the lottery tonight because I would certainly start a JR IMMEDIATELY. whilst a case can be made now and the results relied on later, after consultation, pursuing the fact that an unreasonable requirement is being proposed and that it is an unreasonable change.
One thing is for certain Shooting Orgs have more money than me, have access to legal advice (before Tax) but will do nothing.
I have considered a crowd -funded opinion from a leading QC, I will see what my pro-bono advice yields first.
 
Going back to the consultation if it were the police that had to pay for the doctors medical report they would have favoured option one
 
Following adoption of Statutory Guidance it is unclear whether the current/new medical condition list would apply - my view is it would be dropped and all applicants would be expected to fund their own medical report outwith the current fee levels. This is what the stat guidance consultation seems to say.
So the police would not have to pay the doctors and would pocket their fee previously included within the process. So, you don't need a cost increase in licences, you just pocket the fee by transferring responsibility from themselves (the police) to us (the applicant), and claim a public safety benefit which is, of course, spurious.
No need for efficiencies, no need for e -forms, no need to ask for more money, (not a first choice after being told to get their act together last time), no need for a lengthier licence as its now cheaper for the police to process a 5 year one than before the new guidance.

Now, please, tell me - how is this disappointing - its bloody outrageous and the complicity of our own people in this is very very disturbing. Political route ? In a pigs eye.
 
I’ve been considering the ‘unannounced home visits’ aspect of the Home Office’s proposed ‘statutory guidance’, you know the one that includes the caveat/threat that your FAC/SGC might be at risk if you do not allow access to the police to enter your private property without a warrant or good reason.

It seems to me that this would constitute a breach of Article 8 of the Human Rights Act 1998 - Respect for Your Private and Family Life.

It would need a decent firm of solicitors to get a challenge moving on it though - maybe the ones behind the Wild Justice JRs, and obviously the backing of an organisation or group of organisations acting in the best interests of shooters, so I guess it doesn’t stand a chance of getting off the ground?
 
I would like shooters to have a sensible access to legal advice and some mechanism to ensure doubtful legislation is challenged if appropriate but that is the job of Orgs, is it not ?
Using your funds to protect your sport ?
When wages come before responsibility to those who provide the wages; and those who should, stop looking for threats ....................................

I think its time to consider a related JR subject for crowd-funding and will ask for legal advice - shame I have to really. It does however have the advantage, that having taken a case that is winnable no excuse that it did not happen the way it should, will be acceptable and any shame truly deserved.
 
There really is something wrong when some of the most lawful people in a society are being penalised at every turn, and is it a coincidence that the firearms review is being conducted by the Serious Violence Unit at the Home Office?

What a downhill journey it’s been for lawful firearms owners over the past 50 or so years - forget Orwell’s 1984, it’s McKay’s 1972 that’s about to become the reality for shooters.
 
Two more firearms reviews on this is all they need to accomplish what they set out to do
No more guns for the law abiding
Easy peesy targets aren't we
 
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